Originally Posted by Corgi171

What's wrong with the 992?

Originally Posted by HelpMeHelpU

Really in order to decide, I should drive both. Try to get yourself to the PEC ATL (or LA or wherever) and there's a program Mid vs Rear engine: https://www.porschedriving.com/atlan...na-m-peca-mmde. It's $750, which seems like a great investment for your purchase.

Good luck and enjoy the ride.

Originally Posted by lucycan

992 Interior is LIGHT YEARS ahead of the "carry over from the 90s 718" interior. I really miss my 992 interior. But overall I like the 718 better.

My 992 Turbo was a HELL of a sports car, GT tourer, around town fun - whatever you asked of it.

Originally Posted by Corgi171

Just saw a used 2021 GT4 with 20k miles for sale. $126k. Thoughts on this? Might be worth paying a little more than a new GTS (no allocation as of yet but I'm not in a rush)

Originally Posted by TXshaggy

Not enough info, post up a link.

You could help the board by offering some more info on what your perceived preferences are.

Originally Posted by Zhao

The GT4 is loud on the highway, but around the city at city speeds I have no complaints. The suspension absorbs bumps well but the sound deadening is pretty much on existent when you get to highway speeds.

126k for a GT4 vs 108k for a GTS, if you don't plan to keep it forever you'll be ahead with the GT4 IMO when you sell it. 911 prices traditionally jump off a cliff too in the first few years. covid is preventing that right now, but it's only delayed imo. GT cars generally hold their value or appreciate. Cayman generally followed 911 depreciation levels. The 4.0L with a manual will probably prop that up but it'll still deprecate being a non GT car.

Originally Posted by Zhao

It's not a sports car, and the interior is meh. The exterior looks good from angles but bad form others (there is no angle a 991.2 looks bad from imo, same with a 997). It has a massive ***, especially as a cab. Digital dash sux imo. The quality is a downgrade from the 991.2 from both looks/style and fit and finish (rattles ftl). I can't ever seeing putting that thing around a corner and going ya, nimble! fun! I put the 992 in teh same class as an aston martin or a 8 series bmw. They're almost all PDK which is telling what kind of car it is. It's all about the badge and highway cruising; a big GT bruiser, not small backroad scalpel.

Every PCA event I instruct I look at those and go 'do not want'. Then I cross my fingers I get a student with a 997 or any gen cayman/boxster which is what usually brings a lot of joy riding passenger. This wednesday I actually got a new turbo cayenne to instruct and I was thinking actually I prefer being in this than that 992 over there. I honestly think it was more fun instructing in that because there is joy in doing the unexpected like catching 911s in the corners and passing them in a cayenne.

The only reason I'd be interested in a 992 is because it can fit my daughter in the back and it's new so I could take her on mountain trips, but then it has less luggage space than my cayman so there is no way we'd be using that as a trip car, which is one reason why I wrote off getting one when I could have bought a manual one spec'ed how I wanted for slightly less than my GT4. IMO 997.2s will be future classics everyone is looking for and go to the moon on pricing so there is good chance you can drive one of those for 5+ years and be out nothing. 992s you are definitely going to take a bath on depreciation imo.

Originally Posted by Zhao

Depends on the 911. 997.1? sure if it's a manual. 997.2? hot. 991.1 meh, go newer or older. 991.2 if you are ok with turbos definitely, best interior and exterior looks. 992, yuk, make sure there is a good return policy.

A cayman GTS will likely depreciate a decent amount, but so will all the 911s from current prices except maybe 997s since those are probably as cheap as tehy'll ever get.

Originally Posted by gcurnew

My PDK 992 is a dramatically better sports car - performance, handling and build quality - than my 6-speed 997.2 (with factory Aerokit Cup) was. I've put about the same time and mileage on both the 997.2 and the 992, and wouldn't rate the older car better over the newer one except with respect to the SLIGHT advantage the 997.2 has in terms of steering feedback. The 992 interior is modern and functional, albeit with a minimalist aesthetic that people appreciate or not, and my car with nearly 44,000 km on it is tight and rattle-free. I've had multiple 911s including the 992, as well as a Cayman S. I understand and appreciate the different handling characteristics of the mid-engine platform (both on and off track), but to suggest the 992 is not a sports car is frankly ridiculous. If you're catching a 911 in corners with a Cayenne of any flavor it clearly means the 911 pilot doesn't know how to use the car on the track. I use my Porsches as year-round transportation tools and my 911 (especially so as it's an AWD version) is a better winter car than any Cayman; with RWD the weight over the drive wheels provides ample traction in snow and ice and with AWD a 992 is a snow monster (a Cayman is admittedly more fun to slide and rotate on ice and snow-covered roads). With the back seats down and the behind-the-seats area used as luggage space, a 992 carries more road trip gear than a Cayman (frunk sizes are equivalent), with the added advantage that the rear area of the 911 is accessible by a passsenger while driving.

I get this is the 718 forum...but we can love the mid-engine platform for what it is without trashing 911s and the 992 in particular.

Originally Posted by gcurnew

My PDK 992 is a dramatically better sports car - performance, handling and build quality - than my 6-speed 997.2 (with factory Aerokit Cup) was. I've put about the same time and mileage on both the 997.2 and the 992, and wouldn't rate the older car better over the newer one except with respect to the SLIGHT advantage the 997.2 has in terms of steering feedback. The 992 interior is modern and functional, albeit with a minimalist aesthetic that people appreciate or not, and my car with nearly 44,000 km on it is tight and rattle-free. I've had multiple 911s including the 992, as well as a Cayman S. I understand and appreciate the different handling characteristics of the mid-engine platform (both on and off track), but to suggest the 992 is not a sports car is frankly ridiculous. If you're catching a 911 in corners with a Cayenne of any flavor it clearly means the 911 pilot doesn't know how to use the car on the track. I use my Porsches as year-round transportation tools and my 911 (especially so as it's an AWD version) is a better winter car than any Cayman; with RWD the weight over the drive wheels provides ample traction in snow and ice and with AWD a 992 is a snow monster (a Cayman is admittedly more fun to slide and rotate on ice and snow-covered roads). With the back seats down and the behind-the-seats area used as luggage space, a 992 carries more road trip gear than a Cayman (frunk sizes are equivalent), with the added advantage that the rear area of the 911 is accessible by a passsenger while driving.

I get this is the 718 forum...but we can love the mid-engine platform for what it is without trashing 911s and the 992 in particular.