thigos

Apologies if this has already been posted, did a quick search and didn't see anything.

Possibly a new GTS coming out with a de-tuned 4.0 from the GT4/Spyder. This would check alot of boxes for me. Would likely be a cayman and boxster version...

https://www.motor1.com/news/391066/p...-gts-40-spied/

https://carbuzz.com/news/porsche-adm...-was-a-mistake

mods - please delete if this has been posted.

CaymanSinAR

These have been around for about two years now. At first people weren't sure if they were merely test mules for the new GT4/Spyder motor or if Porsche was actually going to release them to the public. We still don't know, but I hope they are going to end up for sale. I'd love to have a 718 with a NA 4.0L and a power top.

thigos

Agreed, it would be a great package. I remember hearing rumors before as well - Seems these articles from a few days ago speak pretty concretely about these happening (fwiw). Hopefully we hear more soon.

matmanx1

I think it's an interesting proposition from Porsche if it happens but I think it's a 1 step forward 1 step back kind of situation at the same time. The soundtrack will be back so that's nice. Everyone who said they would never buy a turbo 4 car because of the soundtrack should no longer have an excuse to whine about the motor in the 718. But the performance will be no better and likely even worse at low to mid rpm driving which is where most folks spend most of their time in these cars. 1 step forward in that the soundtrack comes back but 1 step back in that stoplight to stoplight performance would likely decrease.

As a Porsche fan and a fan of the mid-engine cars I would absolutely give it a fair shake and go in with an open mind but it would have to be awfully compelling for me to give up my flat 4 car. And that's something I never thought I would say until I owned a flat 4 car for awhile!

CaymanSinAR

Completely understand.

I don't own a 718 yet, but a year with my 991.2 has me singing the praises of Porsches turbo motors.

JonnyD72

The GTS has been removed from the US online configurator

X2Board

So it has... Interesting!

michael818

No one is sure what the sound of the car will be when it gets here. It will be different from the T4 certainly but probably also different from the prior NA 6 engines. Without the turbo the torque will come in a little later so it will most likely be just a bit slower to 60 but not so much to be even noticeable. The redline will be higher and the sound as it nears redline should be superb. It's interesting that Porsche was willing to basically devalue their current crop of GTS cars but not admit to the failure of the T4 in general since they introduced the T and kept the base and S versions. I'm not sure I would trade my current GTS for a new one - not much to gain and lots of cash left on the table. Pricing should be interesting since it has to come in somewhere between the outgoing GTS and under the GT4, I'm guessing $85k MSRP.

Chester7

I have a 2.5 GTS and don't really care one way or another. I'm a supply and demand devotee who likes rare things. The dilemma for those that want a Cayman now is, do I buy a discounted 2.5 GTS or wait and pay full sticker for a 4.0 GTS?

k.alexander

Do you guys think it would be full sticker, or do you guys think the typical 6-8-10% discount off MSRP on the "allegedly new GTS 4.0" could be had once the car actually goes on sale, which realistically is probably earliest delivery this time or so next year?

CaymanSinAR

I think it will depend on your dealer.

Sure, some folks will pay MSRP as early adopters, but then it's just another Porsche.

Chester7

That is a sage question. I'd say Porsche marketers are aiming at full sticker. I see this as a nice market test. If dealer-ordered 4.0 GTS's can be had for discounts then the culprit for dismal sales is an expensive two seater that is not the top of the line, and not the engine. I simply cannot wait!!

k.alexander

I'm sorry, I've read and re-read that like four times now. Can you say that in a different way / not sure what you're saying.

CaymanSinAR

My interpretation is this...

The 718 model is expensive. 718 sales have not been good. If the new 4.0L shows up and sales are still poor it is a reflection of pricing more than T4 versus NA6 motors.

Chester7

I think the 4.0 GTS will provide insight into why 718 sales are low. If 4.0 GTS sales are brisk at prices close to sticker, it implies today's low 718 sales are driven by aversion to the four cylinder engine. If, on the other hand, 4.0 GTS sales are slow and discounts are required, then the reason for slow 718 sales may be there is very little demand for a two seat car costing $90-100k that is not top of the line (the 911 is top of the line).