Adrift

Now that both models are sunsetting, and for what looks like the last time (barring an unannounced revival), where do people see these models going, in terms of desirability, pricing, and their general presence in the Porsche community?
Will the now apparently ubiquitous GT4s start disappearing from grids, as their inability to be replaced, and their unique status, sinks in?
Will prices for both models do normal-GT car well, or will they exceed that paradigm, being recognized as something special and now gone forever?
Will the spyder see a 550-like cult status manifest?
Will these cars disappear into collector garages, and be seen less and less on road and track?
Or is this retirement the same as the 924/944/928/etc, and warrants no special notice?

Thoughts?

GTSPYDER23

I think these models are peak Porsche. True sports cars in many levels better than current 911s from a purist standpoint.

therefore, likely to hold value very well. I’m in the EV industry actually and bought a Spyder. If that tells you anything….

also, I didn’t fully comprehend this car until I drive it. I think there are many people out there as well that don’t fully understand the true sum of the parts with these cars. They are extremely special and magic. Porsche rarely (likely never did before) gives so much at these price points as well.

daaa nope

If you had to compare them to the 944 line up.... these are fairly "special", so maybe more like the 88 944 Turbo S, which have always commanded a premium, even with the 89 Turbo (dropped the S) being all the same parts.

I think these will likely wind up similar to the GT3, long term. Collectable but still mostly driven and used. Probably eventually wind up priced similarly too.

VVG

I am not going to worry too much about this. The fact that the cars will hold value is nice, but I am not going to deliberately not drive the car for this purpose. As it is, it is a pure pleasure toy and I put roughly 4000 miles per year on mine. It is for me to enjoy, and when I sell eventually, it will be worth whatever it is worth.

Xxyion

Here is my uneducated and very unreliable take on this.

I feel like prices will spike early, and spearheaded by dealerships hoping they can turn a profit on what is a desirable car. However i feel like many people will not be willing to pay the prices asked for these vehicles when the GTS 4.0 is still available. While they are different, i feel like many people are turning to the GTS as an alternative.

Then once the market dies down and dealerships realize they can't sell a stripper GT4 for 150k, i expect prices to actually drop a bit. I think we'll see something similar to the 981 GT4 market where prices went below MSRP by about 10-20%. That's when the scramble will start to grab up the remaining inventory. That will be prime buying time for a GT4. Then once the majority of examples are bought up and you start to only see maybe 3-4 on sale at any given time locally, that's when you see prices creep up slowly again. Super clean high spec low mileage models will probably command a pretty big premium, and mid-range models withe decent mileage will probably sell for around MSRP or just above. We saw a similar trend with the S2000s. And while the GT4/Spyder is in a slightly different situation as its not JUST Porsche discontinuing the car, but also most manufactures pushing to go full EV, i think all that will do is accelerate the process. S2000s saw this trend over the course of 20 years, i expect to see a similar path but over the course of 10 years.

colnagoG60

FWIW, I just put in a refund request for my 4 year old deposit on a 718 GT4. Asked about switching it to a "GTS" order, and my SA said they are only going to be getting 1 or 2 allocations before production ceases on current/ICE version. As always, YMMV, but, good luck with that.

enduro

I think it'll land somewhere like where the 997.1 and .2 GT3 are. A special car, but won't be like the 997.2 4.0 RS. That'll be reserved for the GT4 RS which may get somewhere close to MSRP at some point, esp if a big recession hits, before it rockets back to and past its current ridiculous price point.

Montaver

Porsche are investing a huge amount in alternative fuels, they plan to keep building very interesting cars for a while yet. They have also built a large number of 718 GT4's for a GT car, there will be plenty of them around for a long time if you want to get hold of one.

As for values, who knows.. depends if all the kids growing up with them on their walls now will be be throwing money at bring a trailer in 15-20 years. There's a reason all the desirable cars from the mid 2000's are all big money now (E46 M3, F430, S2000 etc etc.) because all the guys (like me) who had these cars as their desktop background 15 years ago have the means to go out and buy them now. I do think generationally there is less interest in cars, which is not helped by the fact even your regular grocery getter is borderline unaffordable. Won't take much for the next generation not to be interested in driving at all, and rely on whatever autonomous tech brings in the next decade.

colnagoG60

Recently saw a "9Werks" youtube vid, about the 964 values, and why they escalated, after being initially "unloved". He stated that there are about 62,000 964s worldwide. The GT4 was universally, at least "liked", and there are maybe 10,000 worldwide? All world/economic environments equal, GT4s should at least "hold" value.

IndigoInkTaco

I might hold a minority position here, but I don't see them being collector cars. There's some short term hysteria b/c of the replacement but I'm certain that most Porsche owners prefer to have the newest, next and best offering. I'm willing to bet once the EV version is released you'll see a lot of these cars hitting dealer lots again as owners trade up. And overwhelming number of owners aren't on the forums. They simply own the cars like any other vehicle.

Lucifer

I highly doubt it, I have no doubt the EV version of the Boxster will be objectively better, but people want ICE sports cars because that's what they grew up on and because it makes them feel something when driving those cars, not just to go fast. The GT4 and the Spyder are desirable cars in my opinion mainly because of how pure they are. No digital gauge cluster, no 17 different TC settings, physical buttons for everything, naturally aspirated, high revving, manual, rear wheel drive.

FASTRKMAN

Unsure on its place in P history but with 45,000kms on mind it's no collector car at this point not sure if it ever would be. I do know @135K in 2020 Canuck $ it will probably be the best bang for my $$$ of all my oh sh$t I did it again buys.

VVG

And to add, IMO, fossil fuel vehicles will be around for along time to come still. Who knows how this is all going to unfold. The nation's charging infrastructure and charging capabilities are still not even remotely close to what is necessary to support a primarily EV based transportation system. Just look at an interstate rest stop on a summer weekend. Can you imagine the insanity if all those cars took even 20 minutes to charge vs 3 minutes to fill the tank?

daaa nope

Yeah. I mean, technically, the 4cyl Box/Cay were "better" than their predecessors. Faster, more torque, I assume better fuel economy and lower emissions.... so on paper, no doubt "better". But people still cried enough that when they came up with the 4.0 for the GTS, they couldn't seem to sell enough of them. So I have no doubt the EV versions will simply SMOKE the ICE versions on paper... but enthusiasts will cherish the ICE models anyways. I know I will. I want, and love, my sounds, smells, vibrations, quirks that make you have to "learn" how to extract the most out of it, etc.

Lucifer

Honestly it is probably a matter of nostalgia, someone who grew up with a Tesla Roadster or a Taycan wallpaper might be into the EV 718.
I grew up liking light weight European sports cars. The only factories I visited were European factories (Porsche, BMW, etc.) - so I didn't even consider other alternatives such as the GT350R (despite it probably being a much better VFM).

I predict that all "serious" pure sports cars such as the GT4, GT350R or the Emira will keep their value going into the future.