///msw3

http://sloancars.com/368/1967-911s-a...lack-restored/

Hello, looking to get into something like this. Does anyone here have any knowledge or connection to this particular car? Would love some more info on it!
thanks!!!

Tom Tweed

Is the serial number 306147S? If so, the car was advertised w/ PCA @ $82,500 and discussed on the Early 911S Registry last summer.

TT

ivangene

thats a lot less money now if its the same car

its beautiful!

whalebird

Beutiful car. Are you looking at a 67S specifically, or an early car in general?

race911

What's floating your boat about a 2.0S? Place to park some money? For the driving experience, I think it's safe to say that those of us who lived in the era (my first was a '68 built up as a 2.0S) wouldn't be particularly eager to revisit those days. And if you're introduction to the Porsche world is your new GT3, I think you'd be absolutely mystified over what the fuss is all about.

whalebird

Like race says, Early-early cars are a different creature, the Silver 73S coupe on the same site could be fun. Some will argue the 67S is just a hoot to drive, sure. Others contend that the 2.2S is the most "lively". I would consider a 72/73 in spite of the perceived 2.4 being diluted a bit (a 2.4S will give you wat you want), but the improved 915 trans makes the cars appeal to me. Remember, 67S is a short wheel base.

///msw3

Thanks for the thoughts guys. The gt3 is my first porsche, my logic is something like this. Had the e46 m3, but when I moved to the e30 m3, wow. Changed my thoughts on everything car related. Doesn't have to be a 67s, just looking for something pre 74, and looking for the long haul, not just a rolling bank account. Though it doesn't hurt that they seem to be solid investments, as much as a car can be, but that in no way is the purpose. Purpose is to drive it, take care of it, make sure it lives a good life until someone else takes her many years from now. Sloan had sent me some info on this particular car, it looks solid from the records and previous restoration. And of course, there is something about pre 74 porsches that one can love without ever having driven one. Though that sort of blind love can get one in quite a bit of trouble at times. I have read a bunch, read more than I post, that's for sure.
What i love about the e30 m3, the joy of handling, of precision, of feel, that's what I want. The gt3 is awesome, but, I don't know, can't say something is missing, but, well maybe its only missing a really quality driver I want fun at 40 mph!

whalebird

Nice reply msw. Good attitude and a worthy endeavor in my mind. The pre74 cars are really an understudy of Porsche within themselves. keep asking questions, and keep looking. A couple of my E30s were the best cars I've owned. yea, the M3 E30 has an edge for sure. Not an inappropriate parallel to Porsche evolution.

race911

E30 to E46 BMW is kinda like '87 to '05 on 911s. Even a 2002Tii would be akin to a '72-3 911. (Purposely avoiding mentioning T/E/S.) A '67S would be like the earliest of the BMW "New Class" cars with a hotrodded engine.

Whalebird is right about a short wheelbase "S" engined car being a hoot to drive. Soft, wallowy, let 'em take a set, slide through the corner on 165 tires with the gas pedal down hoping you're somewhere in the meat of what little torque curve there is...............and catch the tail. If you came up from a 356 that didn't even have a camber compensator, I'm sure it was as good as you could imagine it getting. If you were first exposed to what 911s were by driving one, I'm sure you got an education about how to drive them. If you're stepping back 45 years in the cars development.............................

(And note I'm not comparing cars set up for vintage racing. No matter how stock they appear, or are not allowed to deviate from how they were raced, they are wholly different in setup/drivability.)

All this said, a '72-3 (or really any '69-on) as yet another RS clone can be a wonderfully nostalgic yet modern driving 911. I still have my '73 faux RS shell in the trailer, conflicted as to what I should do with it.

whalebird

Probably a better analogy with the 2002 vs. pre 74. I kind of like the smaller tires and skinny steering wheel of an early car(and a lot more), but keep asking questions, and maybe do some forum searches here discussing the merits of various vintage 911s. I really like an early car myself, and have been around (and under)most of the modern 911s - I could talk you into/out of any of them. race911 has as well. He has moved beyond the nostalgia and novelty of "tweed cap" sunday morning Porsche motoring. We both have unfair bias.
I have a feeling this thread may take off as these type usually do. A good thing...

rusnak

A bmw 2002 tii is a lot like a 914-6. Fun, agile, and visceral.

whalebird

I agree rus. I had an e28 (1979 320i, 2.0, 4spd) which was kind of a 2002 with a steering rack...man I had fun with that car.
Not to hijack your thread Spencer. I have a love/hate with BMWs and you have some that I love. You may just be the kind of guy that could appreciate an early 911 in your garage. Keep your thoughts on the table here. Cheers

ked

I completely endorse the concept of having a sports car that's "fun at forty"... in fact, many ARE 40 - yrs old. Sounds like you don't have much seat time in early 911s. I'd get that under the belt (& between the ears) before anything else.

One could end up w/ anything from a nicely sorted swb to a '73 RS clone based upon an SC or Carrera donor. Sloan's cars are "investment grade" priced & will take a $ hit if you make an old one into a driver - plus an old low mileage car can have a surprising amt of o&m once it's taken out every weekend for fun-at-forty (& 60, 80, 100, etc). {in any case, get PPI, even on cars like his}

I'll tell ya this, the GT3 is ALOT less work to do just about anything sporting - that is both it's strength & weakness (for driving pleasure-seekers). In your situation, for my taste, I'd start by seeking well-tuned (esp susp, str & brakes) Es in the 69-73 range... but who knows where one ends up? The hunt is almost as fun (& important) as the trophy - so be patient & enjoy!

here's the site for early 911s...
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...Cars-1965-1973

& in the spirit of "this thread may take off as these type usually do"...
I would disagree somewhat about comparing the 911 to the BMWs of those days.
- 6cyl torque & flexability vs 4cyl zippiness
- frt vs rear engine - (imho) significantly distinct in driving character - just don't quite compare, beyond being great examples of light / quick responding / precise feel.

I've always looked at the 2002tii vs the Alfa GT/GTV as more equivalent (yet still w/ unique natures), & the 911 as in a rarified class alone. maybe that's why it won so many championships & became iconic.

"A '67S would be like the earliest of the BMW "New Class" cars with a hotrodded engine."
that would be the 1800 (4dr!) that was homolgated for rallying (TI/SA).

"I think you'd be absolutely mystified over what the fuss is all about."
well, maybe until you lost the rear end in the middle of a corner (& thinking, while spinning, huh.. what just happened - I didn't do anything...") or, next time 'round, put your foot in it & drifted on through... then the veil begins to lift (btw, don't lift)

///msw3

I love the advice, thanks! One thing that appeals to me in this specific 67 911s, or any pre 74 car that has had a good solid restoration at some point, is that I would be getting a solid platform. I know with e30 m3's, rust is an issue, and they are only 20 years old and benefited from better coatings. That's one part that does scare me about a 40 year old car, rust! My sterling silver e30 m3 has been a California car it's entire life. When I had it repainted about a year ago, there was rust on the weepholes beneath the windshield. It wasn't bad, no metal was cut out, but I was still surprised to see it. So now, the thought of rust is always on my mind when looking at any car over two decades old.

Jim H.

FWIW - I went from a 89 951 that was track prepped to a brand new 04 gt3 (street) that was track prepped (i.e. stock ;-), and after a few years of DE events developed some concerns around the high speeds without a full roll cage, plumbed fire extinguished, etc. (and the high cost of consumables such as brakes, tires, etc.). I then went all the way back in time to a solid, driver quality 67S that could be enjoyed as is and actively restored over time.

They were/are all a blast to own, all with their own pros and cons. The 951 was probably the best bang for the buck, the GT3 certainly the fastest and the most competent, and the 67S the most nostalgic.

The sum of those experiences has me yearning to restore up my 67s for the street, and obtain either a full race lightweight early car or a 6 GT3 cup for the track. That solves the problem I had with driving a fast car slow on the street and a street car fast on the track (that's my rationalization and I'm sticking to it).

So I'm with you on the 67S. Go for it!