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RED.86.951 · 11-07-2009, 02:53 AM

Thanks guys for all your input.. The vehicle has its flaws... ok alot of flaws. However, I just think it would be a shame to let the car die. By no means am I a rich man, I'm "comfortable" but thats about it... By no means am I attempting to make this a million dollar beauty. I am leaning more towards a nice weekend car to rip out on some track days. I will find out more info soon and post it as I get it.. Like I said I would just hate to see this legend be left for dead. Say I pay 7K fair?

slownrusty · 11-07-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RED.86.951

Say I pay 7K fair?

That is a stretch...I see an easy $15K+ to make that car "right"...thats puts you at $22K or what you would pay for a decent running car that is not sitting in boxes.

Yasin

Last930 · 11-07-2009, 10:51 AM

I think the biggest question is: Can you do ALL the work yourself? And do you have the time and space?

RED.86.951 · 11-07-2009, 04:19 PM

I would have to pay for paint and body work, i would also have to pay for the motor to be rebuilt. however putting in the car i could take care of. Space not an issue... i just bought a new house with a 3 car garage... would need to park my daily driver out side.. but i could live with that... I guess i have alot to think about...

Mark Houghton · 11-07-2009, 05:47 PM

The more I think about this, the more inclined I would be to go for it if the dude will sell for 7 grand. A total restoration is always fun and ultimately gratifying. As long as you have the space, the abilities, the patience, and the money to spend over the next several years then it can be a real labor of love. But if you've got other things to do like raise a family, keep the wife turned on, pay the mortgage, etc.....then think hard about it.

LA964RS · 11-07-2009, 06:11 PM

Run Forest, run!

RED.86.951 · 11-07-2009, 06:12 PM

Single male.. sometimes I work too many hours in a week; but that can also be a good thing. oh here are more pictures of the engine.....

can't wait to get it going... it is a 1976 car. it was brought over to the US by the first owner who moved from Germany. It was updated to a intercooled car hence the updated whale tail. Second ower had the car for a year when spun a rod bearing. had it in storage for the past 18 years and collected parts for the rebuild since.

911rudy · 11-08-2009, 01:09 AM

Folks, we have here a guy in a three card Monty game and he believes that with one more bet he will win. They are even going to let him bend an edge on the black queen. How can he lose?

JFairman · 11-08-2009, 12:21 PM

If you got that car for free, and paid for the engine rebuild with those very questionable old parts and a crank laying on it's side for who knows how long.. and body and paint.... lol.
It would still cost more than a good running complete car and it would be totally unreliable and you would be screwing with it constantly..

I've done restorations on BMW's and Porsches and know.

Do all the work yourself and you'll be living for a car the next 2-4 years.

PorscheDoc · 11-08-2009, 12:49 PM

I suggest you pick up the book "the gold plated Porsche" and read that first.

ZX3tuning · 11-08-2009, 05:49 PM

having just done a major update/restore/rebuild on mine i can say that cost will spiral out of control faster than you can imagine with these cars. "missing X part, ok i'll just order that... WHAT? HOW MUCH? $800 for a BRACKET!?!"

like it has been said, if you can do all the work yourself, find a shop willing to put an engine together that's dropped off in boxes, redo the interior(even on the cheap) and get a full respray i'd say you're still looking at 25K.
4-8k for the paint and body work, 12-18k for the engine and trans if you are lucky, and 3-6k on the interior. if you do it right, there's no reason why it cannot be a decent driver or weekend car and be reliable assuming you use a good shop and don't skimp or cut corners but don't be surprized if and when that 25K turns into 30,40,50k+ once your are said and done...

it's a very slippery slope rebuilding one of these cars and the famous last words of any Porsche owner about to get in over their head..... "while we are in there......"

A.Wayne · 11-08-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LA964RS

Run Forest, run!

+ 10

Turn the Boost up on the 951 and run .....Run until you are out of gas ...

RED.86.951 · 11-08-2009, 11:19 PM

HAHA THANKS GENTS! While I appreciate everyones input and advice on the car I think I am going to pick it up... By the way my name is matt, I am certian you will be seeing lots of me on the 930 forum. There is with out a doubt a ton of information from you "veteran" 930 owners I need to soak up.

Thanks again guys... I be sure to post pics of progess on the car as I get it done... #1 on the list is clean the poor car up...

Color change? 1994 3.6 turbo grey?

kens911 · 11-09-2009, 02:18 AM

no keep it the stock color

ThatOneGuy · 11-09-2009, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Last930

Why is the headliner all moldy - water damage? !

That was my first thought, poor car looks like it's been in a lake.

11-07-2009, 02:53 AM	#16
RED.86.951 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 32	Thanks guys for all your input.. The vehicle has its flaws... ok alot of flaws. However, I just think it would be a shame to let the car die. By no means am I a rich man, I'm "comfortable" but thats about it... By no means am I attempting to make this a million dollar beauty. I am leaning more towards a nice weekend car to rip out on some track days. I will find out more info soon and post it as I get it.. Like I said I would just hate to see this legend be left for dead. Say I pay 7K fair? __________________ 1986 951., Guards Red, 52k orig., Turbonetics 60-1., SRI., Full Fuel system., SDS EMS.,+++ more. 1993 VW Corrado., VR6 Turbo., 700+ WHP. Fully built 2005 BMW 330Ci ZHP (daily driver)

11-07-2009, 10:51 AM	#18
Last930 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Il. Posts: 524	I think the biggest question is: Can you do ALL the work yourself? And do you have the time and space? __________________ Dave '79 930, # 1200 '04 X50 TT Cab

11-07-2009, 04:19 PM	#19
RED.86.951 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 32	I would have to pay for paint and body work, i would also have to pay for the motor to be rebuilt. however putting in the car i could take care of. Space not an issue... i just bought a new house with a 3 car garage... would need to park my daily driver out side.. but i could live with that... I guess i have alot to think about... __________________ 1986 951., Guards Red, 52k orig., Turbonetics 60-1., SRI., Full Fuel system., SDS EMS.,+++ more. 1993 VW Corrado., VR6 Turbo., 700+ WHP. Fully built 2005 BMW 330Ci ZHP (daily driver)

11-07-2009, 06:12 PM	#22
RED.86.951 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 32	Single male.. sometimes I work too many hours in a week; but that can also be a good thing. oh here are more pictures of the engine..... can't wait to get it going... it is a 1976 car. it was brought over to the US by the first owner who moved from Germany. It was updated to a intercooled car hence the updated whale tail. Second ower had the car for a year when spun a rod bearing. had it in storage for the past 18 years and collected parts for the rebuild since. __________________ 1986 951., Guards Red, 52k orig., Turbonetics 60-1., SRI., Full Fuel system., SDS EMS.,+++ more. 1993 VW Corrado., VR6 Turbo., 700+ WHP. Fully built 2005 BMW 330Ci ZHP (daily driver)

11-08-2009, 12:49 PM	#25
PorscheDoc Addict Rennlist Member Rennlist Site Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Under Your Car Posts: 6,265	I suggest you pick up the book "the gold plated Porsche" and read that first. __________________ Doc Wilen PCA Instructor 86 951 02 2500HD 00 JGC My P-car blog: DocWilenRacing

11-07-2009, 05:47 PM	#20
Mark Houghton User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Central Washington State Posts: 514	The more I think about this, the more inclined I would be to go for it if the dude will sell for 7 grand. A total restoration is always fun and ultimately gratifying. As long as you have the space, the abilities, the patience, and the money to spend over the next several years then it can be a real labor of love. But if you've got other things to do like raise a family, keep the wife turned on, pay the mortgage, etc.....then think hard about it.

11-07-2009, 06:11 PM	#21
LA964RS Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,213	Run Forest, run!

11-08-2009, 01:09 AM	#23
911rudy Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Near Atlanta, Ga. Peachtree City Posts: 1,253	Folks, we have here a guy in a three card Monty game and he believes that with one more bet he will win. They are even going to let him bend an edge on the black queen. How can he lose?

11-08-2009, 12:21 PM	#24
JFairman User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: S. Florida Posts: 372	If you got that car for free, and paid for the engine rebuild with those very questionable old parts and a crank laying on it's side for who knows how long.. and body and paint.... lol. It would still cost more than a good running complete car and it would be totally unreliable and you would be screwing with it constantly.. I've done restorations on BMW's and Porsches and know. Do all the work yourself and you'll be living for a car the next 2-4 years.

11-08-2009, 05:49 PM	#26
ZX3tuning Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 195	having just done a major update/restore/rebuild on mine i can say that cost will spiral out of control faster than you can imagine with these cars. "missing X part, ok i'll just order that... WHAT? HOW MUCH? $800 for a BRACKET!?!" like it has been said, if you can do all the work yourself, find a shop willing to put an engine together that's dropped off in boxes, redo the interior(even on the cheap) and get a full respray i'd say you're still looking at 25K. 4-8k for the paint and body work, 12-18k for the engine and trans if you are lucky, and 3-6k on the interior. if you do it right, there's no reason why it cannot be a decent driver or weekend car and be reliable assuming you use a good shop and don't skimp or cut corners but don't be surprized if and when that 25K turns into 30,40,50k+ once your are said and done... it's a very slippery slope rebuilding one of these cars and the famous last words of any Porsche owner about to get in over their head..... "while we are in there......" __________________ Mitch A. ZX3Tuning; Owner, Head Tech and Fabricator

11-08-2009, 11:19 PM	#28
RED.86.951 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 32	HAHA THANKS GENTS! While I appreciate everyones input and advice on the car I think I am going to pick it up... By the way my name is matt, I am certian you will be seeing lots of me on the 930 forum. There is with out a doubt a ton of information from you "veteran" 930 owners I need to soak up. Thanks again guys... I be sure to post pics of progess on the car as I get it done... #1 on the list is clean the poor car up... Color change? 1994 3.6 turbo grey? __________________ 1986 951., Guards Red, 52k orig., Turbonetics 60-1., SRI., Full Fuel system., SDS EMS.,+++ more. 1993 VW Corrado., VR6 Turbo., 700+ WHP. Fully built 2005 BMW 330Ci ZHP (daily driver)

11-09-2009, 02:18 AM	#29
kens911 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: homestead Florida Posts: 891	no keep it the stock color