Group Buy (CLOSED): Stage 8 locking CV bolts, Round 2
03-18-2010, 11:01 AM
#1
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Group Buy (CLOSED): Stage 8 locking CV bolts, Round 2
Now Available for ALL 914s!
In January, we organized a group buy for Stage8 locking CV bolts for the 924-944-968 platform. It was a HUGE hit, to say the least, with 110 participants in the first round. We are now launching a second round group buy, and are very pleased to announce the availability of locking CV bolts for the entire range of 914s (as well as all 911s and 928s)! This group buy will run from now through 15 April 2010.
Sizes and Fitment Notations
The happy coincidence we discovered is that the 914 application uses the same M8 bolt as the 924-944-968 application, although it only requires 16 bolts (vs. 24 on the latter). One of the 944 participants also owns a 914 and confirmed fitment on his application. Additionally my trans rebuilder is a long-time 914 and 911 enthusiast and PCA member, and helped me out with test fitting. The other variable to be aware of that I discovered is that some 914 owners apparently like to upgrade to 911 shafts, which may require a different size or quantity of bolts...no problem, just identify the shafts you adapted from the 911 list and order those!!!
I've put together a convenient application guide to allow you to easily identify the best option based on the model year of your car, or any 911 gearbox/halfshaft upgrades that may have been added later. For our group buy, we are limiting the clip and retainer configuration to Stage8's recommenation: the D-style clip (best abutment fitting to the CV boot flange) and the snap ring retainer (full circle engagement eliminates any concern about the retainer flying off at high speed). If you have any questions about what to order, don't hesitate to contact me via PM. I'll do my best to examine PET and your specific car's configuration in order to identify the correct sizing.
Pricing
MSRP: $72 for set of 16 M8x50 bolts, clips & retainers
Group Buy discount = 25% off MSRP
Group Buy Price = $54 for set of 16 bolts, clips, & retainers
Shipping*: US = $6; Canada = $12.45; ROW = $14.45
*Note: Shipping is via USPS priority mail small flat rate box. We can fit up to two full sets in one box; add'l quantities will result in slightly higher shipping costs.
Ordering
I have set up a special application guide and group buy ordering page on my website:
To order => http://garage.ideola.com/prod-Stage8-GB.html
Please order through this page if possible. Otherwise, send me a PM with the details of your order and I will invoice you via paypal.
Specifications
• Bolts Are Aircraft Quality Grade 12.9 – 4130 Alloy Steel
• Retainers are 5052-H32 Polished Aluminum
• Snap Rings & Clips Are Spring Steel
Background & Product Details
For those that missed the first round, here is a repeat of the details. I worked with Stage8 to develop a locking CV bolt kit for the entire range of 924-944-968 cars. It was such a huge hit, that some 911 and 928 rennlisters contacted me about offering these for their cars too. I did quite a bit of research to investigate all of the permutations across these cars, and came up with 4 additional bolt sizes to accommodate the entire range of 911 and 928 cars, which Stage8 is now geared up to produce. This is truly a brand new offering, never before available for our cars!
Unless a 914 has been upgraded to 911 components, the 914 application utilizes sixteen M8x50 cheesehead bolts to attach the half shafts at the transaxle stub axles and the outer hubs (four bolts per CV joint). As many of you know, the cheese head bolts are a royal PITA to deal with and will strip out if you're not careful. And for track driven cars, there have been multiple reports of the bolts backing out mid-session with catastrophic results. Many guys are safety wiring their bolts, and this was the approach I was planning to take on my UWB project until a 924board member mentioned Stage8 (for a header bolt application).
The Stage8 system utilizes their patented "GrooveLok" bolt, which has a 12-point head and a special groove in the head. Once the fastener is torqued down, any number of clip shapes are available, which lock onto the 12-point bolt head, and are then retained using either an E-clip or snap ring. Here are some photos using the samples they sent to me installed on a late offset 944 CV joint, boot, and outer stub axle:
Sample M8x65 GrooveLok bolt (the standard 914 size would be M8x50)
Teardrop and D-Style clips; snap ring and E-style retainers
D-style clips installed, E-style retainer on left, no retainer on the right (I didn't have a snap ring plier handy when I made these photos)
Teardrop retainers installed (again, no snap rings, but they would normally have the snap rings installed)
Questions? Interest? Let me know!
In January, we organized a group buy for Stage8 locking CV bolts for the 924-944-968 platform. It was a HUGE hit, to say the least, with 110 participants in the first round. We are now launching a second round group buy, and are very pleased to announce the availability of locking CV bolts for the entire range of 914s (as well as all 911s and 928s)! This group buy will run from now through 15 April 2010.
Sizes and Fitment Notations
The happy coincidence we discovered is that the 914 application uses the same M8 bolt as the 924-944-968 application, although it only requires 16 bolts (vs. 24 on the latter). One of the 944 participants also owns a 914 and confirmed fitment on his application. Additionally my trans rebuilder is a long-time 914 and 911 enthusiast and PCA member, and helped me out with test fitting. The other variable to be aware of that I discovered is that some 914 owners apparently like to upgrade to 911 shafts, which may require a different size or quantity of bolts...no problem, just identify the shafts you adapted from the 911 list and order those!!!
I've put together a convenient application guide to allow you to easily identify the best option based on the model year of your car, or any 911 gearbox/halfshaft upgrades that may have been added later. For our group buy, we are limiting the clip and retainer configuration to Stage8's recommenation: the D-style clip (best abutment fitting to the CV boot flange) and the snap ring retainer (full circle engagement eliminates any concern about the retainer flying off at high speed). If you have any questions about what to order, don't hesitate to contact me via PM. I'll do my best to examine PET and your specific car's configuration in order to identify the correct sizing.
Pricing
MSRP: $72 for set of 16 M8x50 bolts, clips & retainers
Group Buy discount = 25% off MSRP
Group Buy Price = $54 for set of 16 bolts, clips, & retainers
Shipping*: US = $6; Canada = $12.45; ROW = $14.45
*Note: Shipping is via USPS priority mail small flat rate box. We can fit up to two full sets in one box; add'l quantities will result in slightly higher shipping costs.
Ordering
I have set up a special application guide and group buy ordering page on my website:
To order => http://garage.ideola.com/prod-Stage8-GB.html
Please order through this page if possible. Otherwise, send me a PM with the details of your order and I will invoice you via paypal.
Specifications
• Bolts Are Aircraft Quality Grade 12.9 – 4130 Alloy Steel
• Retainers are 5052-H32 Polished Aluminum
• Snap Rings & Clips Are Spring Steel
Background & Product Details
For those that missed the first round, here is a repeat of the details. I worked with Stage8 to develop a locking CV bolt kit for the entire range of 924-944-968 cars. It was such a huge hit, that some 911 and 928 rennlisters contacted me about offering these for their cars too. I did quite a bit of research to investigate all of the permutations across these cars, and came up with 4 additional bolt sizes to accommodate the entire range of 911 and 928 cars, which Stage8 is now geared up to produce. This is truly a brand new offering, never before available for our cars!
Unless a 914 has been upgraded to 911 components, the 914 application utilizes sixteen M8x50 cheesehead bolts to attach the half shafts at the transaxle stub axles and the outer hubs (four bolts per CV joint). As many of you know, the cheese head bolts are a royal PITA to deal with and will strip out if you're not careful. And for track driven cars, there have been multiple reports of the bolts backing out mid-session with catastrophic results. Many guys are safety wiring their bolts, and this was the approach I was planning to take on my UWB project until a 924board member mentioned Stage8 (for a header bolt application).
The Stage8 system utilizes their patented "GrooveLok" bolt, which has a 12-point head and a special groove in the head. Once the fastener is torqued down, any number of clip shapes are available, which lock onto the 12-point bolt head, and are then retained using either an E-clip or snap ring. Here are some photos using the samples they sent to me installed on a late offset 944 CV joint, boot, and outer stub axle:
Sample M8x65 GrooveLok bolt (the standard 914 size would be M8x50)
Teardrop and D-Style clips; snap ring and E-style retainers
D-style clips installed, E-style retainer on left, no retainer on the right (I didn't have a snap ring plier handy when I made these photos)
Teardrop retainers installed (again, no snap rings, but they would normally have the snap rings installed)
Questions? Interest? Let me know!
Last edited by ideola; 05-18-2010 at 09:53 AM.
03-20-2010, 01:17 PM
#2
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
Answers to a few questions that have come in:
Q: Are the bolts re-usable?
A: YES, absolutely. They are made of 12.9 grade steel.
Q: Looks like I need a special tool to install these?
A: NO, all that is required is a standard 12-point 8mm or 10mm socket. It is highly recommended to use a high-quality socket, as some of the el-cheapos don't provide good engagement at the opening of the socket. Standard snap ring pliers are all that's required for the retainers.
Q: I see that Stage8 provides E-style retainers, and those seem easier to install. Can I order them?
A: Stage8 strongly recommends the use of snap rings for moving applications such as CV joints due to the full circle engagement, even though the risk of losing an E-style retainer is very small.
Q: Are the E-style retainers interchangeable with the snap rings?
A: NO, the E-style retainers require a wider groove in the GrooveLok bolt, so the bolts must be machined differently.
Q: I see that Stage8 offers Teardrop style retainers. Can I order them?
A: SORT OF(!). For the group buy, I am limiting the bolt configuration to D-style clips and snap ring retainers to help simplify the ordering, production, and fulfillment process. However, if you really want some teardrop style retainers, at the bottom of the Application Guide page, you may order 6-paks of extra clips in either the D- or Teardrop shape ($3 per pak less 25%)
Q: I'm worried about losing a bolt or retainer set. How do I get more if I lose one?
A: At the bottom of the Application Guide page, you may order 6-paks of extra bolts ($26 less 25% per 6-count), clips ($3 less 25% per 6-count), and retainers ($3 less 25% per 6-count)
Q: Are the bolts re-usable?
A: YES, absolutely. They are made of 12.9 grade steel.
Q: Looks like I need a special tool to install these?
A: NO, all that is required is a standard 12-point 8mm or 10mm socket. It is highly recommended to use a high-quality socket, as some of the el-cheapos don't provide good engagement at the opening of the socket. Standard snap ring pliers are all that's required for the retainers.
Q: I see that Stage8 provides E-style retainers, and those seem easier to install. Can I order them?
A: Stage8 strongly recommends the use of snap rings for moving applications such as CV joints due to the full circle engagement, even though the risk of losing an E-style retainer is very small.
Q: Are the E-style retainers interchangeable with the snap rings?
A: NO, the E-style retainers require a wider groove in the GrooveLok bolt, so the bolts must be machined differently.
Q: I see that Stage8 offers Teardrop style retainers. Can I order them?
A: SORT OF(!). For the group buy, I am limiting the bolt configuration to D-style clips and snap ring retainers to help simplify the ordering, production, and fulfillment process. However, if you really want some teardrop style retainers, at the bottom of the Application Guide page, you may order 6-paks of extra clips in either the D- or Teardrop shape ($3 per pak less 25%)
Q: I'm worried about losing a bolt or retainer set. How do I get more if I lose one?
A: At the bottom of the Application Guide page, you may order 6-paks of extra bolts ($26 less 25% per 6-count), clips ($3 less 25% per 6-count), and retainers ($3 less 25% per 6-count)
03-24-2010, 07:27 AM
#3
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
I received the 20th order last night, so I will be placing the first batch order with Stage8 later this afternoon. Anyone wishing to be included in the first batch order, please get your orders in before 5 PM EDT today.
04-01-2010, 11:22 AM
#5
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
We're up to 18 orders for the 2nd batch order in round 2. I'm going to place the 2nd batch order tomorrow, so anybody wanting in on this batch, please get your orders in by 5 PM EDT tomorrow. Thanks!
04-12-2010, 09:34 AM
#7
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
UPDATE:
Spoke with Stage8 on Friday. Batch 1 may ship to me by the end of this week, Batch 2 probably not until the end of next week at the soonest.
There's still time to get in on this...original closing date was thru Tax Day...we'll go ahead and extend it thru the weekend: Sunday 18 Apr 2010.
Spoke with Stage8 on Friday. Batch 1 may ship to me by the end of this week, Batch 2 probably not until the end of next week at the soonest.
There's still time to get in on this...original closing date was thru Tax Day...we'll go ahead and extend it thru the weekend: Sunday 18 Apr 2010.
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04-16-2010, 10:08 AM
#8
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
72 hours left in the group buy. Batch 3 orders will be placed with Stage8 on Monday, so please get your orders in no later than 11 AM EDT Monday 19 April.
04-28-2010, 03:40 PM
#10
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
I sent this email to everybody today, but posting here just to cover all the bases...
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I spoke with Stage8 last night regarding the status of shipping on the various batch orders. For some reason, they delayed shipping batch 1 and pulled forward the production run of the batch 2 and batch 3 orders. They committed to me that the entire order (batches 1, 2 & 3) will be shipped to me all at once by the end of this week.
I don't know why they did it this way, as I specifically discussed with them at the outset breaking the orders into smaller batches so that early participants wouldn't have to wait for the entire run in order to get their parts. They arbitrarily decided to do the production all at once, which means that those of you in Batch 1 won't be getting your orders any sooner than anybody else.
I'm not real happy about this, and will have to think about how to manage the next round (if there is one). BUT, the good news is that everything should be on its way from California by the end of the week, and I should be able to begin packaging and shipping next week. I will do my best to get everything repackaged and shipped out to you all within 24-48 hours of receiving the bulk shipment from Stage8.
I apologize for the delay, I wish there was something I could do to get the parts here faster. The only consolation I can offer at this point is that it's not unusual to encounter these types of production and logistical issues when commissioning a completely new product (there were 5 new applications in this round of the group buy). I hope you feel as I do that the results will be worth the wait.
Once I start shipping your individual orders, you should each be getting an email notification from either PayPal or the USPS with the tracking number for your shipment, so please be on the lookout for that. I think I have requested address confirmations from all of you, but it doesn't hurt to remind you that I rely heavily on your PayPal address being correct for shipping. PLEASE double check that your PayPal shipping info is current and up to date!!!
I will send out another update as soon as I know the bulk shipment is on its way from California. In the meantime, if you have any questions or concerns, please let me know. Thanks again for your enthusiastic participation! It has been exciting to see the response to this group buy. If there are other new product or NLA parts you would like assistance with, don't hesitate to ask...I'm always up for a new challenge!
Also just a quick reminder that we're offering 10% off all Tools, Kingsborne Wire Sets, and Classic 9 appearance products through 15 May 2010.
##################################
I spoke with Stage8 last night regarding the status of shipping on the various batch orders. For some reason, they delayed shipping batch 1 and pulled forward the production run of the batch 2 and batch 3 orders. They committed to me that the entire order (batches 1, 2 & 3) will be shipped to me all at once by the end of this week.
I don't know why they did it this way, as I specifically discussed with them at the outset breaking the orders into smaller batches so that early participants wouldn't have to wait for the entire run in order to get their parts. They arbitrarily decided to do the production all at once, which means that those of you in Batch 1 won't be getting your orders any sooner than anybody else.
I'm not real happy about this, and will have to think about how to manage the next round (if there is one). BUT, the good news is that everything should be on its way from California by the end of the week, and I should be able to begin packaging and shipping next week. I will do my best to get everything repackaged and shipped out to you all within 24-48 hours of receiving the bulk shipment from Stage8.
I apologize for the delay, I wish there was something I could do to get the parts here faster. The only consolation I can offer at this point is that it's not unusual to encounter these types of production and logistical issues when commissioning a completely new product (there were 5 new applications in this round of the group buy). I hope you feel as I do that the results will be worth the wait.
Once I start shipping your individual orders, you should each be getting an email notification from either PayPal or the USPS with the tracking number for your shipment, so please be on the lookout for that. I think I have requested address confirmations from all of you, but it doesn't hurt to remind you that I rely heavily on your PayPal address being correct for shipping. PLEASE double check that your PayPal shipping info is current and up to date!!!
I will send out another update as soon as I know the bulk shipment is on its way from California. In the meantime, if you have any questions or concerns, please let me know. Thanks again for your enthusiastic participation! It has been exciting to see the response to this group buy. If there are other new product or NLA parts you would like assistance with, don't hesitate to ask...I'm always up for a new challenge!
Also just a quick reminder that we're offering 10% off all Tools, Kingsborne Wire Sets, and Classic 9 appearance products through 15 May 2010.
05-18-2010, 09:53 AM
#11
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
All orders have been shipped except for 11. Apparently, Stage8 ran out of the M8x50 bolts during the initial run. I just received the bill for the last portion of the M8x50 order yesterday, so I am expecting these bolts to arrive in MI any day now, and will ship them out ASAP.
Thanks everybody for your patience and participation!!!
Thanks everybody for your patience and participation!!!
05-24-2010, 08:42 AM
#12
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
The last dozen or so orders were shipped out on Saturday, everyone should have gotten their tracking number notification via USPS or PayPal. PM or email me if not.
09-09-2010, 04:10 PM
#13
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I finally got around to installing mine. I had to adjust my boot flanges a little so the holes lined up with the CV joint holes better. Then the bolts went in no problem. Torqued to 32 ft. lbs. and put the D-style retainers on. I used long needle nose pliers to get the C-clips on. I'm quite happy with the setup!
I'll try to take some pictures or a video.
Thanks Dan for a great product!
I'll try to take some pictures or a video.
Thanks Dan for a great product!
