Heinzfischer

Hello!
I have a 944 2.5 Automatic i restored from scratch from 11.1986.
It seems i have the "Wide" axle.
i am on the lookout for new Rims. Pref those ones:

https://www.rosepassion.com/de/p1122...T&gad_source=1

The ones i have on seem to be either too small, or narrow, at least in the back.


I am just so confused. It says mine are 15" ET23.3
And 15 Inches is just too small. They look horrendous but it is just for moving the car around now.
Got another 944 Project that has some Fuchs rims, that i tried on mine. But they exceeded the Fender by nearly an Inch so i think those are the et52s.

So question: I want to get 7J and 8J in the Back on it from RosePassion, but now i am unsure whether they are the right ones for it to look good and well.. drive safetly. They cant exceed the fender at all, at least here in Austria, and i dont want to muck around bending the fender now its been painted a few months ago.
I'd love to stay original with the Sizes of Tires.
I know there have been numerous threads about this exact problem but i really didnt find an answer for it tbh. Its so confusing (my first porsche, first full restoration and first time buying rims and "customizing" the car)

For replies i am hugely thankful!
Pictures:


Looks like those taxis out of New York in the year 1999

I belive this rim is the same as the front ones, but not sure. got 4 of the same size and fit. nothing different.

Greetings from Austria!

walfreyydo

Yeah those are "late offset" wheels and you have an "early offset" car. Early offset cars have the hubs further in due to lack of ABS(?) and so they run lower offset wheels to compensate.

Late offset wheels have a higher offset and therefore sit waaay inside the fender on an early offset car (yuck!)

Early offset on 7/8" wheels = 23.3et

Late offset on 7/8" wheels = 52.5et(?) or so

DSMblue

If your car is a 1987 model year, it should use late offset wheels. The phone dial wheels that you have appear to be correct. Standard wheels were 15x7 with a 215/60R15 tire.

orig944

Is your 11/86 build a model year 86 or 87? I'm wondering if you are missing the 951 331 611 02 hubcentric spacers on the rears that should be present on an 87. The fronts look correct, which I wouldn't expect on an early offset car with late offset wheels.

15 inch wheels were standard back then, and yes, 16 inch wheels look better.

Heinzfischer

Well.. idk really. How do i figure that out?
If it is 11.86, logically i'd say its an model year 86.

But good info on those spacers, actually. Cause it seemed so wierd that the front looks okayish but the back so.. this.

Has anybody got an idea whether it is a model year 87 or 86?.
WP0ZZZ94ZHN420510 is the VIN if anybody has sources.

Thank you for all those replies btw.
So ET23.3 would be the correct offset for that car. So those rims i want to aquire seem right, in the back with 8J.
I feel so idiotic that this confuses me so much, due to being a mechanic for 10 years..

Jfrahm

https://vinanalytics.com/checkvin/?v...ZZZ94ZHN420510

You can look at the wheels for part numbers or width and offset marked by the valve. Or measure them yourself.
You are probably missing the spacers as indicated above.
-Joel.

Heinzfischer

HUGE thanks for all the replies, will purchase the spacers and buy the 8Js in the back and 7Js in the front.

orig944

Your car is an 87, so you have the correct ET 52.3 wheels on it, but are missing the spacers.

Gage

Spacers? I am not aware of wheel spacers being used on an 87.
Use of a factory spacer from an 86 or earlier car will require longer wheel studs.
Remove the rear wheel and show us a photo of the hub.

orig944

Re-reading the PET, I see it is only for the forged wheels.

- 944 331 905 00 Widening of track /H 1
17 MM
From model 87 on
Only together with
Forged wheel
1 set
Comprising:
6 951 331 611 02 Spacer ring /H 2
17 MM
7 904 341 671 00 Wheel bolt /H 10
7 993 331 671 02 Wheel bolt /H 10
- 999 182 003 36 Wheel nut 10

Interesting, so what is happening on his car? It would appear he has the correct wheels for an '87.

OP, while you have the wheel off, get all the info that is cast into the inside of the wheel.

Heinzfischer

In the mentioned posts above, there was talk about that i have a Early offset car, so ET23.3
Getting Dizzy o.o

My forgoing apocalyptic mind is screaming in hopes that the pre owners didnt change the axle to a incorrect one, like so much people do when half professionaly "fixing" it.
If so, well, bad luck. Lets check it with the Hub.

Ofc the solution is to just live with it, find a spacer that fits and offset the wheel to the outside. But thats the issue; I want to be sure, before purchasing new ones and then they dont fit.
And i want to finally understand it

I will remove the Wheel the following days and pin it here and also make a photo of the inner wheel values.


Kr

forwardtrends

Here's a shot of my 87 NA. It's optioned with 16" phone dials but should give you a good idea of what they look like. Mine is also lowered 30mm up front and rear lowered with eccentric bolts all the way down so my camber is slightly negative all the way around. (And mine is also a restored / rebuilt automatic with new OEM flex plate! I thought I was the only one lol)

jeyjey

That's just how they looked. This is the 80's, remember. (Although that dude's moustache has probably come back around....)

Heinzfischer

That actually looks quite good imo. but i would love to install the Rims linked from rossepassion. 7J front 8J back with 16''
Project kept me busy, picture of the hub and inner wheel follows, so we can finally find a solid answer :b
Thank you for the picture/s and the time!

kr

bonus12

I went with the same wheels. I like the fuchs a lot, and I like the deeper dish in the rears. They're stock size, 7" front and 8" rear. I used 20mm spacers all around. Stock size tires. I carefully removed a fraction of the inner lip of the wheel wells, as needed, only about 5mm. There's some extra material in there where you can't see.

There is absolutely no rubbing of tires at all, even over enormous speed bumps at speed. This look isn't for everybody, and does not maintain the 80's wheel well look, but I like this setup a lot more than stock with the phonies. I do believe it seemed to improve stability in corners.