Darius Juca

I am not sure but road and track or motortrend did a comparisson between the 944 S, 951, 928, and 930...guess who won overall...yep our favourite 951...all around the 951 will beat the 928 anyday except comfort travel for 500 miles...my first love was the 928 S4...I was obesessed then I want to 911..but soon I came to my senses and...voila a beast was born.

UDPride

tdat-

You got a supersize hi-res of that Porsche ad? I have a thing about collecting pcar ads and wouldbe much obliged if you sent me a biggie size of it if you have it.

Jeff928S4

I can also give insight into the difference between a 944 and a 928.

I went from a 88' 944S to an 89' 928S4 - auto. The 944 is very "go-cart" in it's handling. It's lower to the ground. The 928 handles the same in the sense that it is great, but the "feeling" of good handing doesn't kick in till higher speeds....but then again, I've yet to really push the 928.

The 928 is heavier and feels heavier. The 944 is the "BMX" bike and the 928 is that bike that had the fake gastank and shocks way back in 1979-80....if ya know what I mean!

The 928 goes very fast....and you don't know it!! I don't know how many times I've glanced down at the speedo and said, "Opp's - better slow down!".

The 928 eats gas like nothing! Doesn't seem to make a difference if you drive it hard or easy - it just eats gas!!

The 944 sounds "sporty", especially the S in the high revs. When you start the 928, it rumbles right away and when you hit the kickdown switch, it's downright art in it's sound. The 944 sounds like it's trying to get somewhere - the 928 sounds like needs to get somewhere.

Overall comfort inside is about the same. The 928 seats are more "puffy" and the carpet has this rubber pad under it that makes the carpet feel like the carpet in your house. I drive barefeet sometimes just to enjoy the carpet!

I find you have to drive a 944 to get it to work like it should - the 928 drives you most of the time....but when you want to play, the 928 is very fun to play with.

Jeff

M758

I have driven a 928 and have similar comment to those that have driven these cars.

The 928 is very nice GT car. Very comfortable and ideal for covering longs distances insanly quickly with little to no effort.

I actually took my parents 91 928S4 Auto on 700 mile PCA trip. On that 3 day trip we covered alot of miles. Many were easy road at higher speeds. The 928 was very comfortable and easy to driver. We also covered a section that was posted 25 -40 mph for a good 60 miles. Lots of tight corners (think low 2nd gear in a 951) and with a long climb 5-6000ft. I have driven this road in the 951 and it is hoot. You need to work the 951's motor to keep in the power, but the chassis work very nicely all the way. The 928 even in auto form had torque everywhere and made corner exits easier since there was so much torque on had an low RPM. In the tight corners it handled well, but it took more work and effort for the car to get through those sections. The 951 just feels more at home on roads like that begging to tossed from corner to corner.

The 928 perfers a more relaxed pace and will reward the driver with a rapid transit with much less effort, push it hard and will take effort to control.

Once we exited the tight corners and got onto more open road the 928 ws very nice to drive. 50 mph sweeping corners taken a 75-80 were effortless and the car felt in its element.

Overall I'd consider the 928 as great for long drives. It is more relaxed and comfortable that any 944. Unfortauntly if want to flog it you will notice less willingness than a 944 or 951. I feel that 944/951 cars are more engaging to drive and more rewarding to the driver.

tdatk944+S4

UD
Sorry I do not have a high res of thet ad. What I have I pirated from another post. I will try and find that and re-direct you to it.

Tim

BC

I think we need to clarify that the 944s are about 3k or less in weight, and your 89S4 is 3500 + Driver + the big gas tank.

Many times people never even drive the 5spd 928s and think that the auto version is the true character, when its only on side of a very dynamic automobile.

Many times the 928s have incorrect alignments, or worn suspension (the weight takes its toll)....

By the same token, many times people don't like the 944 they tested because they have been totally beat to $hit by people who thought it was only a $3000 dollar car. The early 928s ARe a bit pokish, but go drive a car of the same year - take 1978 for example. Drive a 911SC 5spd, a 928 5spd, a Corvette, maybe a lotus?

Cameron

Re the Road & Track comparison of the P car line-up. It was 1986 and they used an automatic 928. All of the other cars were stick. Therefore, it was an apples to orange comparison IMHO.

I have driven a few 968's and they feel more nimble at low speed with quicker initial turn-in than the two 928's that I have had. I have not driven a 944 or 968 at high speed in the twisties, so I have no comparison there.

I have owned a 928 S4 auto and now have a '91 928 GT (5-speed). They are very different animals. The 5-speed makes the car feel much lighter. If you get the chance, take an S4 5-speed or a GT for a spin. You will enjoy it.

.....Cameron
'91 928 GT

Waterguy

You usually see two or three at our autocrosses. A 928S4 five speed with upgraded suspension, tires and exhaust in the hands of an experienced autocrosser routinely turns in very competitive times. A fully stock 928S4 automatic had very similar times to myself (we are both new at this; my second autocross.) I could outhandle the stock 928S4, but there is something to be said for low-end torque coming out of a slow corner!

Another fellow locally has bult a dedicated race car out of a 928S4 5 speed. When it is lightened, all the rubber bushings (ther are a LOT of soft bushings) replaced with delrin, and with just upgraded exhaust it makes a fast and capable platform. The stiff chassis, double wishbone suspension and big V8 make a great starting point for a race car.

Oilslick964

The gear ratios on the '89 928 S4 and the GT are different from the '88 and prior cars. An '89 auto will beat an '88 5 speed out of the hole. As far as seat of the pants feel, the 951 is the car for me, but the '89 928 is more comfortable and just as fast (stock vs. stock). Of course the 951 is really cheap and easy to make really fast, so that is a big plus. The 951 has always been my favorite Porsche, but I'm 36 now and I'm really starting to see the appeal of the 928. Just a different animal for a different demographic.

boston951

If I remember correctly, the initial automatic transmission version of the 928 was faster then the original 5-speed. This may have changed in later years.

Having driven the 928, 928S and the 928S4, all I can say is the 928 is a luxurious ride. Yes, they all were automatic transmissions.

I am not sure about performance driving, but for a long trip the 928's possess a certain level of sophistication. IMHO, it is more like driving a touring sedan than a sports car, as compared to the 951.

Yabo

All i know, is when i hit a bend on this one lane road going 90.. it sure felt solid and like it had much more room to go. The 944 feels like it has more room to go like that too, but feels like it woudl be alot easier to screw up..

Peckster

Not all, maybe most.

I've driven an early automatic, it seemed very slow.

Yabo

he was saying all as in all the ones he drove, i believe.

boston951

Yes, yieldsign2 is correct. All the 928 models that I had the pleasure of driving were automatic transmissions.

Cameron

Even with the 2.54 final drive ratio in the 89 and up auto's, the 87 and 88 5 speed S4's were quicker off the line with their 2.20 final drive. 0 - 60 MPH stats : 5.7 sec stick vs about 6.0 to 6.3 sec (depending on who you talk to) auto. Of course, that's not much difference and you can fudge the launch on a 5 speed.

The 928 GT gains 10 hp and has a 2.73 final drive ratio making a couple of tics quicker off the line over the 5 speed S4.

.....Cameron
'91 928 GT