...P

Sorry if I gave the impression of bitching and whining, because if there's one thing I don't like, it's a whiner, lol. I generally just lick my wounds and go on, trying to be more careful

I know it's your job. I've had a few friends who are in the police business, and they've all been top rated guys. One was "officer of the year", and the other was in the K-9 division.

All the best to you,

P

renvagn

If you guys lived in PA you wouldn't be able to excessively speed because our pot holed laden roads would swallow and consume your nice alloys. We need to take it to the tracks.

9444Alexis

I learned something new this year, there is a difference between diabetic and hypoglycemic. Diabetic situation is when the blood sugar is through the roof and can lead to a coma. The hypoglycemic is when the blood sugar goes through the floor and the person starts shaking like they are having a seizure and can also end up in a coma. It's a mess :-P

I guess if the dude was having a diabetic attack, he should probably carry his insulin :-).....

I have gotten only one ticket and it was on Friday the 13th in this piece of excrement car. It was really kind of funny <after the shock>. I bought this 1977 Nova that was an ex-police car <woohoo!> and I was kinda rebuilding. The cop pulls me over and tells me I was doing 70+ in a 55 <oops!> and asks me a few questions about the condition of my car. First, he ran the registration. The DMV had listed 5 or 6 people after my name as owning the car.......so he was a tad concerned. Then he wanted to see the seat belts. They were tied on with shoelaces and my door handle was a man's leather belt lag-bolted to the door. High class ride....I searched for seatbelts to show him I had all of them and came up with 5 ends and luckily, two were attached! He just sighed and didn't want to see anymore and I think took pity on me <I was running for parts and was covered in grease......> and only wrote me for 70+ instead of wreckless...whew! Nice guy....but I don't think he wanted to be on the same road as my car :-P. Since then I really do do the speed limit in my cars <even my Porsche!> I just do the same speed limit around the turns too :-). I just don't want to owe that much money to the Commonwealth!

Believe me, I have cars stacked behind me really pissed!

User 41221

I've had my fair share of encounters with the boys in blue, some good, a few bad, and all I can say is that for the most part, I was getting pretty much what I deserved and every now and again it was just karma catching up to me. I have a ton of respect for uniformed officers, its not a job I would want but I am glad they are there to do it.

As for the "game playing" part of the equation, get a V-1, don't drive like you think you are invisible and if you do get popped, don't give the officer a bad time and hire an attorney if you really want to get out of the ticket, assuming you've gotten written up. If you have done these things, then I think you have played the game as well as you can. I find that since getting a V-1, I actually drive a good bit slower than I used to, and am at a loss to explain that phenomenon, unless I am just getting older... lol

By the way, I am happy to see that there are both police officers AND female 'listers participating in this thread, and hope the trend continues... the typical demographic for this forum was getting a bit stale... (no offense to the "typical demographic") lol

Regards,

WolfeMacleod

I have had absolutely zero good experiences with cops.
In the town I grew up in, I was pulled over doing 26 in a 25. That was the only speeding ticket ever.

When I was 16, my mother kicked me out of the house and took me off her insurance. That was the day I got my first ticket. I'm pretty sure she called them and told them I was on my way...$479 for no insurance. I was not speeding.
I spent the next several years homeless, living in and sleeping in my car. I was routinely awaken at night and given no insurance tickets, even tought I wasn't driving at the time. I always parked in secluded places to sleep.
I was once ticketed for running a red light. 3am, light turns green. Cop flashed his flashy thing as I got ready to go, and by the time I was in the intersection, the light was red. No insurance plus running the light.
I was ticketed for improper use of an HOV lane, again around 3am. Bastard in another car trying to run me off the road. 2 lanes, plus HOV. The HOV lane was my only safe choice, as there was another car next to me. and the cop chose to pull me over instead of the other driver. No insurance plus improper lane use.
I have been pulled over for non-working license plate lights. No insurance. $479.
I have been pulled over for small cracks in my windshield. No insurance. $479.
I have been pulled over for having a "known person of interest" in my car. No insurance. $479. He has never ridden with me again.
I was pulled over for driving a car similar to another car they were looking for. No insurance. $479.

Eventually, the license was suspended....so I learned to stop having my car registered in my name.

Seven years ago, I purchased a used car. The same night, I went to put gas in the car. The very first time driving it, except for the drive home. Cop drove through the gas station. I was pulled over immediately after leaving, and told the licensing tabs were stolen. No insurance plus stolen license plate, even though I showed them the bill of sale. I went to jail on that night.


I have not been pulled over since that night. I am now fuly lisenced and fully insured for the first time in over 15 years.
I still avoid cops like the plague though, and will drive very far out of my way to do so.
Every cop I have dealt with has been a major *******. I have always treated them with respect. I have always turned on my dome light, hands on the wheel, no sudden movements. I have had guns drawn on me, been forced to the ground, accused of having drug stuff, had my car towed, torn apart, impounded, you name it. I am, and have always been, 100% drug free.

During my "no lisence" period, I was always very attentive to the traffic laws. Never any U-turns, never tailgating, never speeding, always used my signals, seat belt, never running a stop sign, traffic light (unless you really consider the above light and HOV incident) I was extremely cautious.

I had at least 20 "no insurance" tickets at one point. I owed more than $15,000 to Washington state.

The moral of this story is: Don't kick your kids out and take them off your insurance policy.
And WA cops suck. Period.

...P

Okay, as long as the radar and laser protection thread has run it's natural life cycle.......and died a horrible death, lol.................here's my 944 story for the day.


Driving to work, on time, no rush. I come upon a garbage truck parked in the dead center of the road. There are guys standing around (as if they're waiting on something).

I come to a complete stop. Finally I see "nothing at all is happening", a feather the clutch, and CREEP along side the truck. As I do, I notice a guy walk over and swat my rear view mirror. I keep on going, because I'm of no mind to confront a whole truck full of garbage collectors, and I come to a dead stop at the stop sign, and I drive off like a little ole woman.

The next day I get a call from the police department. I'm interrogated by phone, and advised "If you don't come to the station, we will come get you". I drive to the station, they accuse me of "hit and run" and say there is a personal injury they witnessed. I ask what about the injury. They say the guy has a raw red gash across his mid section, and that I ran over this guy with my 944. They say my mirror caught him.

I proceed to take the chief, and the cough, cough, "arresting female officer" out to the parking lot, and show them how I can push the mirror back with one finger. I then (and this was in December right before Christmas, when everyone including the garbage collector was wearing a heavy coat) proceed to show them by running by the car with my bare stomach protected only by a single layer of white shirt, how I can push the mirror back with my tummy, about five timess. I pull my shirt open and say "where's the wound"???????????

They look sheepishly at each other, they KNOW it's now a scam, but guess what? They have already sent in the paperwork because they were TOO LAZY and incapable of finding me all day long at work, where I am every day all day long. Therefore, I had to go in, get fingerprinted, and defend myself against a felony, and it cost me a bundle.

Eventually the DA threw the case out, the police were on my side and said so, but the issue was "complicated" because the guy showed up with a photo of his "wound" and he somehow had apparently gotten a wound, but it darn sure wasn't caused by my 944. I was totally cleared, but in the end my insurance company who shall remain nameless, thankfully protected me but PAID THE GUY OFF, just to resolve the matter in the most expeditiious manner.

How's that for an encounter?

Beware...............................if you're driving around in a shiney cool looking little sports car, you're going to get a second look from every cop on the street, and you're also subject to potential scams like this one. I hate to tell you, but I think the guy got $65,000.








Here's a pic of the car, it's a real sweetheart

P

Royal Tiger

So why were you driving with no license or insurance? So when you get in an accident and end up in jail for no insurance, it's all the cops fault. Yeah, I've never heard that before. Driving is not a right. There is no mention of a car or a driver's license in the US Constitution. If you can't play be the rules, then suffer the consequences. I have to pay insurance and maintain my license. And pay for inspection, emmisions, etc... We don't get to drive for free either.

tifosiman

So I jump ship in Hong Kong and make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas. A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me?

The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking.

So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one - big hitter, the Lama - long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says?

Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga.

So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness."

So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.

WolfeMacleod

If you're talking to me, I was HOMELESS and lived IN MY CAR. I had NO PLACE TO GO.

DO I feel good about my situation? No, I don't. I was done out of nessecity, and untill you've been homeless for extended periods of time, I don't think you can pass judgement.

And, in the Constituion, it does say that we have a right to "travel the highways and byways of this country, without papers" I have used this defence on a couple occasions.

Read this. VERY carefully.


Right to Travel



DESPITE ACTIONS OF POLICE AND LOCAL COURTS,
HIGHER COURTS HAVE RULED THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS
HAVE A RIGHT TO TRAVEL WITHOUT STATE PERMITS

By Jack McLamb (from Aid & Abet Newsletter)

For years professionals within the criminal justice system have acted on the belief that traveling by motor vehicle was a privilege that was given to a citizen only after approval by their state government in the form of a permit or license to drive. In other words, the individual must be granted the privilege before his use of the state highways was considered legal. Legislators, police officers, and court officials are becoming aware that there are court decisions that disprove the belief that driving is a privilege and therefore requires government approval in the form of a license. Presented here are some of these cases:

CASE #1: "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.
CASE #2: "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.
It could not be stated more directly or conclusively that citizens of the states have a common law right to travel, without approval or restriction (license), and that this right is protected under the U.S Constitution.

CASE #3: "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.
CASE #4: "The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.
As hard as it is for those of us in law enforcement to believe, there is no room for speculation in these court decisions. American citizens do indeed have the inalienable right to use the roadways unrestricted in any manner as long as they are not damaging or violating property or rights of others. Government -- in requiring the people to obtain drivers licenses, and accepting vehicle inspections and DUI/DWI roadblocks without question -- is restricting, and therefore violating, the people's common law right to travel.

Is this a new legal interpretation on this subject? Apparently not. This means that the beliefs and opinions our state legislators, the courts, and those in law enforcement have acted upon for years have been in error. Researchers armed with actual facts state that case law is overwhelming in determining that to restrict the movement of the individual in the free exercise of his right to travel is a serious breach of those freedoms secured by the U.S. Constitution and most state constitutions. That means it is unlawful. The revelation that the American citizen has always had the inalienable right to travel raises profound questions for those who are involved in making and enforcing state laws. The first of such questions may very well be this: If the states have been enforcing laws that are unconstitutional on their face, it would seem that there must be some way that a state can legally put restrictions -- such as licensing requirements, mandatory insurance, vehicle registration, vehicle inspections to name just a few -- on a citizen's constitutionally protected rights. Is that so?

For the answer, let us look, once again, to the U.S. courts for a determination of this very issue. In Hertado v. California, 110 US 516, the U.S Supreme Court states very plainly:

"The state cannot diminish rights of the people."
And in Bennett v. Boggs, 1 Baldw 60,

"Statutes that violate the plain and obvious principles of common right and common reason are null and void."
Would we not say that these judicial decisions are straight to the point -- that there is no lawful method for government to put restrictions or limitations on rights belonging to the people? Other cases are even more straight forward:

"The assertion of federal rights, when plainly and reasonably made, is not to be defeated under the name of local practice." Davis v. Wechsler, 263 US 22, at 24
"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda v. Arizona, 384 US 436, 491.
"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. US, 230 F 486, at 489.
There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise of constitutional rights." Sherer v. Cullen, 481 F 946
We could go on, quoting court decision after court decision; however, the Constitution itself answers our question - Can a government legally put restrictions on the rights of the American people at anytime, for any reason? The answer is found in Article Six of the U.S. Constitution:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof;...shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or laws of any State to the Contrary not one word withstanding."
In the same Article, it says just who within our government that is bound by this Supreme Law:

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution..."
Here's an interesting question. Is ignorance of these laws an excuse for such acts by officials? If we are to follow the letter of the law, (as we are sworn to do), this places officials who involve themselves in such unlawful acts in an unfavorable legal situation. For it is a felony and federal crime to violate or deprive citizens of their constitutionally protected rights. Our system of law dictates that there are only two ways to legally remove a right belonging to the people. These are:

by lawfully amending the constitution, or
by a person knowingly waiving a particular right.
Some of the confusion on our present system has arisen because many millions of people have waived their right to travel unrestricted and volunteered into the jurisdiction of the state. Those who have knowingly given up these rights are now legally regulated by state law and must acquire the proper permits and registrations. There are basically two groups of people in this category:

Citizens who involve themselves in commerce upon the highways of the state. Here is what the courts have said about this: "...For while a citizen has the right to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, that right does not extend to the use of the highways...as a place for private gain. For the latter purpose, no person has a vested right to use the highways of this state, but it is a privilege...which the (state) may grant or withhold at its discretion..." State v. Johnson, 245 P 1073. There are many court cases that confirm and point out the difference between the right of the citizen to travel and a government privilege and there are numerous other court decisions that spell out the jurisdiction issue in these two distinctly different activities. However, because of space restrictions, we will leave it to officers to research it further for themselves.
The second group of citizens that is legally under the jurisdiction of the state are those citizens who have voluntarily and knowingly waived their right to travel unregulated and unrestricted by requesting placement under such jurisdiction through the acquisition of a state driver's license, vehicle registration, mandatory insurance, etc. (In other words, by contract.) We should remember what makes this legal and not a violation of the common law right to travel is that they knowingly volunteer by contract to waive their rights. If they were forced, coerced or unknowingly placed under the state's powers, the courts have said it is a clear violation of their rights. This in itself raises a very interesting question. What percentage of the people in each state have applied for and received licenses, registrations and obtained insurance after erroneously being advised by their government that it was mandatory?
Many of our courts, attorneys and police officials are just becoming informed about this important issue and the difference between privileges and rights. We can assume that the majority of those Americans carrying state licenses and vehicle registrations have no knowledge of the rights they waived in obeying laws such as these that the U.S. Constitution clearly states are unlawful, i.e. laws of no effect - laws that are not laws at all. An area of serious consideration for every police officer is to understand that the most important law in our land which he has taken an oath to protect, defend, and enforce, is not state laws and city or county ordinances, but the law that supersedes all other laws -- the U.S. Constitution. If laws in a particular state or local community conflict with the supreme law of our nation, there is no question that the officer's duty is to uphold the U.S. Constitution.

Every police officer should keep the following U.S. court ruling -- discussed earlier -- in mind before issuing citations concerning licensing, registration, and insurance:

"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. US, 230 F 486, 489.
And as we have seen, traveling freely, going about one's daily activities, is the exercise of a most basic right.

tifosiman

So I tell the swamp donkey to sock it before I give her a trunky in the tradesman's entrance and have her lick me yardballs!


Wow. You guys are on a completely different level of swearing here.

Royal Tiger

Never saw that before. So the next time you drive witout a license (meaning anyone not you in particular) and are involved in a traffic collision with injury and have no license or insurance, let me know how the trial turns out. Also in liew of motor vehicle insurance, you are personally finacially responsible for any damage you may cause. Mentioned in that article if you read it. I have seen cases with the "free landers" that claim they don't have to pay taxes or own a driver's license. I have yet to see one win. While I wasn't trying to make light of your situation, I surely wouldn't want to be involved in a traffic collision with you as I would have to pay my expenses not covered by my insurance. Doesn't seem right for me to pay so you don't have to.

kcryan

Cant you sue that guy who sued you for wrongful law suit or something? there gotta be something in the law about that.

tifosiman

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ahofam123

I have a question for the cops out there. In Ga, if an officer catches you with radar, he asks if you would like him to check the calibration of his radar gun. Do you guys get annoyed doing this ? Do you think that the driver is trying to deny speeding?

I have had good luck with the police. I was pulled over once for doing 88 in a 70mph. I apologized to the officer and told him that I was trying to maintain ~75mph, but with a broken speedometer I must have been a bit off. He said that he was feeling nice and would let me off with a warning, but that I need to get the speedometer fixed.

I have never been pulled over in the 944 or on my motorcycles, only in my 15 yr old truck. So at least where I live, the cops could care less about what you drive, only how you drive it.

WolfeMacleod

I realize that, and wounld't want to have been in an accident myself at that time, or even now that I'm fully covered. I think I can say though, that I feel that spending several years in that situation has made me a much more conscientious, attentive driver than I would have been otherwise. I spent so long trying to adhere strictly to ALL traffic laws to avoid getting pulled over, that it's pretty much second nature now, except on a few rare occasions.
I became extremely attentive to my surroundings, avoiding accident-prone situations such as pack-drivers (bunched cars) and tended to distance myself from other cars, large trucks, tailgaters, tailgating, inattentive drivers, soccer-moms, poorly maintained cars, and the likes.
And I still do to this day.