The 944: classic car?
06-07-2006, 12:59 AM
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The 944: classic car?
What do you think about the possibility of the 944/951 becoming one of the next big classics? The next big father-and-son legend? Another 10 yrs? 20?
06-07-2006, 01:01 AM
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I doubt it.
I love these cars, but I just cannot see a 80's car being called a classic. even 70's cars don't really have that "classic car" mystique.
IMHO it's gotta be 60's or older.
I love these cars, but I just cannot see a 80's car being called a classic. even 70's cars don't really have that "classic car" mystique.
IMHO it's gotta be 60's or older.
06-07-2006, 02:08 AM
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Keywords for project cars usually are performance or nostalgia. The 60's musclecars had both...
There is little or no nostalgia to be had with a 944, they are really nothing to scream about style wise to many peoples new "hip hop" and "ricer" standards... And their performance SUCKS in most people's eyes unless they live where the roads tend to bend a little sometimes.
Lastly, why would the average father and son wanna go through the FRUSTRATION of messing around with all the little hangups? those old musclecars are usually cake to work on. My dad despises my car, he says Porsche was quote "fu*kin retarded" when they designed the engine the way they did.
But, I personally still like these cars. The unprecedented control is worth the frustrations anyway.
There is little or no nostalgia to be had with a 944, they are really nothing to scream about style wise to many peoples new "hip hop" and "ricer" standards... And their performance SUCKS in most people's eyes unless they live where the roads tend to bend a little sometimes.
Lastly, why would the average father and son wanna go through the FRUSTRATION of messing around with all the little hangups? those old musclecars are usually cake to work on. My dad despises my car, he says Porsche was quote "fu*kin retarded" when they designed the engine the way they did.
But, I personally still like these cars. The unprecedented control is worth the frustrations anyway.
06-07-2006, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Rich Sandor
I doubt it.
I love these cars, but I just cannot see a 80's car being called a classic. even 70's cars don't really have that "classic car" mystique.
IMHO it's gotta be 60's or older.
I love these cars, but I just cannot see a 80's car being called a classic. even 70's cars don't really have that "classic car" mystique.
IMHO it's gotta be 60's or older.
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944 Turbo maybe the next 914-6? 914 was suppose to be a VW, 924 was suppose to be an Audi. Same story, kind of.
356 owners did not like the 911 when it came out in the 60s. Said it was too expensive (twice the cost of a 356) and too heavy. Look where the 911 is now.
Can't buy these cars and expect to make money on appreciation though. Even if they are the next 911RS, after the cost of upkeep and accounting for inflation, you will break even at best. Cars don't make good financial investments.
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06-07-2006, 02:17 AM
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Look at the production #'s for the 60's mustangs. Almost a million a year! People said they would never be collectable... Now I see the nastiest POS mustang carcasses going for 10k at auctions. I think the 944 has unprecedented style, and great functionality.
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06-07-2006, 02:49 AM
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jageng.com Prizefighter 944 Takes 1st Place!
A 944 project is way cool and here's proof!
http://www.jageng.com/944/944imagesa...fighterwin.jpg
Video at http://www.jageng.com/944/944SMAY06.wmv
We registered the jageng.com Prizefighter 944 in a local car event this past weekend (first time we've done this). There is maybe a dozen P cars in our town, if that. We backed her in amongst all the Detroit iron - Mustangs, F bodies, chromed-up Vettes and even few ricers. I didn't think we'd even get noticed.
Judges came by a spent a long time with Morgan as he walked them through the project. The judging panel had some knowledge of the 944 but not a whole lot.
They were impressed that our mods that looked stock equipment to them, unless pointed directly out. The LED signals were the only thing that they thought was aftermarket after the 1st walkaround.
Here's a picture after taken after the show - First Place Class Winner for 1980 and Up Custom Modified.
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http://www.jageng.com/944/944imagesa...fighterwin.jpg
Video at http://www.jageng.com/944/944SMAY06.wmv
We registered the jageng.com Prizefighter 944 in a local car event this past weekend (first time we've done this). There is maybe a dozen P cars in our town, if that. We backed her in amongst all the Detroit iron - Mustangs, F bodies, chromed-up Vettes and even few ricers. I didn't think we'd even get noticed.
Judges came by a spent a long time with Morgan as he walked them through the project. The judging panel had some knowledge of the 944 but not a whole lot.
They were impressed that our mods that looked stock equipment to them, unless pointed directly out. The LED signals were the only thing that they thought was aftermarket after the 1st walkaround.
Here's a picture after taken after the show - First Place Class Winner for 1980 and Up Custom Modified.
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06-07-2006, 08:35 AM
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Despite the fact that they are currently cheap and plentiful, there is absolutely NO doubt in my mind that the 944 will become a classic, collectable, and desireable car. It's only because they are so plentiful today that they are not.
One only has to look at the 914 for a classic example. In the early years of my driving nobody wanted them. They were cheap, plentiful, and underpowered. Now they are collectable.
As for the 944 being and under-performer, I say nicht so! When the 944 came out it set the standard for non-exotic cars. It was the yardstick by which I measured the cars I considered for many, many years. In the last 10-15 years there have been cars with performance to match, but when it was produced, NOTHING came close.
I think it's still one of the most beautiful cars built in my lifetime.
One only has to look at the 914 for a classic example. In the early years of my driving nobody wanted them. They were cheap, plentiful, and underpowered. Now they are collectable.
As for the 944 being and under-performer, I say nicht so! When the 944 came out it set the standard for non-exotic cars. It was the yardstick by which I measured the cars I considered for many, many years. In the last 10-15 years there have been cars with performance to match, but when it was produced, NOTHING came close.
I think it's still one of the most beautiful cars built in my lifetime.
06-07-2006, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Geo
Despite the fact that they are currently cheap and plentiful, there is absolutely NO doubt in my mind that the 944 will become a classic, collectable, and desireable car. It's only because they are so plentiful today that they are not.
One only has to look at the 914 for a classic example. In the early years of my driving nobody wanted them. They were cheap, plentiful, and underpowered. Now they are collectable.
As for the 944 being and under-performer, I say nicht so! When the 944 came out it set the standard for non-exotic cars. It was the yardstick by which I measured the cars I considered for many, many years. In the last 10-15 years there have been cars with performance to match, but when it was produced, NOTHING came close.
I think it's still one of the most beautiful cars built in my lifetime.
One only has to look at the 914 for a classic example. In the early years of my driving nobody wanted them. They were cheap, plentiful, and underpowered. Now they are collectable.
As for the 944 being and under-performer, I say nicht so! When the 944 came out it set the standard for non-exotic cars. It was the yardstick by which I measured the cars I considered for many, many years. In the last 10-15 years there have been cars with performance to match, but when it was produced, NOTHING came close.
I think it's still one of the most beautiful cars built in my lifetime.
06-07-2006, 09:29 AM
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[QUOTE=My dad despises my car, he says Porsche was quote "fu*kin retarded" when they designed the engine the way they did.
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if you know how to work on them they are cake. My dad wouldnt be able to work on mine but he could sure as hell retune a holley 750 double pumper in his sleep. Theres no reason why a 944 couldnt be a classic- although anything that is old enough can be a classic- when four door novas and chrysler imperials can be classics, im sure in 1949 when the mercury hardtop came out that no-one ever thought some big *** boat would ever be a classic. The question is, will it ever be worth as much comparitively as the 356?
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if you know how to work on them they are cake. My dad wouldnt be able to work on mine but he could sure as hell retune a holley 750 double pumper in his sleep. Theres no reason why a 944 couldnt be a classic- although anything that is old enough can be a classic- when four door novas and chrysler imperials can be classics, im sure in 1949 when the mercury hardtop came out that no-one ever thought some big *** boat would ever be a classic. The question is, will it ever be worth as much comparitively as the 356?
06-07-2006, 11:55 AM
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Without a doubt. You say they are plentiful and maybe they are to this crowd. However, how often do you see one when driving around. Here in the DFW metroplex where they should be 'plentiful', I might see another one about once a month. It is infrequent enough that I get excited about it. And I still think it is one of the best looking cars out there as well as a beautiful style which will last long after most of these other 'flash in the pan' disco cars are long gone! Now, to temper what I just said, I think we are still some years away. They are just waiting for me to sell mine and then they will become unobtainable.
06-07-2006, 12:17 PM
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the two million dollar dodge was one of fourteen convertibles and the only orange one and it had the super duper motor and a few other oddball options.
the only valuable 944s will be ones like the escort cup car a member here has, and a few other assorted oddballs. perhaps porsche o philes oddball calloway turbo may have some value if he gets it togeter right, and by right i mean "right" which i doubt he has the time or money to do. no offense intended.
if someone took the say eight grand a copo camaro cost new in 69 and put it into a s&p tracing fund, and never touched it, it would be worth more than what the copos went for at barrett, plus the copo owner had to pay to insure, maintain etc. the car, and didnt really drive it.
the only valuable 944s will be ones like the escort cup car a member here has, and a few other assorted oddballs. perhaps porsche o philes oddball calloway turbo may have some value if he gets it togeter right, and by right i mean "right" which i doubt he has the time or money to do. no offense intended.
if someone took the say eight grand a copo camaro cost new in 69 and put it into a s&p tracing fund, and never touched it, it would be worth more than what the copos went for at barrett, plus the copo owner had to pay to insure, maintain etc. the car, and didnt really drive it.
06-07-2006, 07:29 PM
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Personally I don't believe the 944 NA will ever be worth anything. Reason is we have the 944 Turbo.
To most folks 944 NA = v6 mustang or camero while a 944 Turbo is Big motor V8. Right now the big money goes to the big motor cars. The more plentiful small motor version get much less attention except when the big motor cars are REALLY expensive (example wedge head dodge vs hemi).
So Probably the Turbo S Cab will be the highest value then probably the Turbo S cars. These cars would be worth something since one is a fast convertable never sold in the US, and the other is lower production. Top dollar would go for excellent condition stock cars.
Now this may take another 10-15 years for the market to realize what these cars are, but it will happen. Of course don't expect Hemi type number for these cars either. My feeling is the they have bottomed in value right now and as time goes by and more cars are used up the survivors will become more valuable. Even so would a 944 Turbo S be worth more than 40k in today's dollars? Hard to say really since that would 25-30k more than now.
To most folks 944 NA = v6 mustang or camero while a 944 Turbo is Big motor V8. Right now the big money goes to the big motor cars. The more plentiful small motor version get much less attention except when the big motor cars are REALLY expensive (example wedge head dodge vs hemi).
So Probably the Turbo S Cab will be the highest value then probably the Turbo S cars. These cars would be worth something since one is a fast convertable never sold in the US, and the other is lower production. Top dollar would go for excellent condition stock cars.
Now this may take another 10-15 years for the market to realize what these cars are, but it will happen. Of course don't expect Hemi type number for these cars either. My feeling is the they have bottomed in value right now and as time goes by and more cars are used up the survivors will become more valuable. Even so would a 944 Turbo S be worth more than 40k in today's dollars? Hard to say really since that would 25-30k more than now.
06-07-2006, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Geo
One only has to look at the 914 for a classic example. In the early years of my driving nobody wanted them. They were cheap, plentiful, and underpowered. Now they are collectable.