another borken timing belt story....
12-19-2002, 08:33 PM
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another borken timing belt story....
a buddy of mine just broke the timing belt and smashed a valve...
The car.... a late 80's Honda Prelude with 61k miles.
See...it doesnt only happen to Porsche's
The car.... a late 80's Honda Prelude with 61k miles.
See...it doesnt only happen to Porsche's
12-19-2002, 08:57 PM
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Damn Borken timing belts.
Had a friend who's timing belt on her Honda went.
Guy she works for told her to call me because he didnt think a borken timing belt would kill an engine. I asked her if the mechanic said it was an interference motor.
"Yeah yeah he did say something about interference."
"Sorry your cars gone."
Had a friend who's timing belt on her Honda went.
Guy she works for told her to call me because he didnt think a borken timing belt would kill an engine. I asked her if the mechanic said it was an interference motor.
"Yeah yeah he did say something about interference."
"Sorry your cars gone."
12-19-2002, 10:30 PM
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Manufacturers really need to educate their customers more about these sort of things...
I didnt even know if the engine on my mom's volvo was interference or not...it makes a big difference when you get to the change interval and its time to decide to change it or push it a little...Which reminds me, I have to tell her its time for another belt change in 5k miles.
But then again, this way manufacturers get to sell more new cars....yay for them...
I didnt even know if the engine on my mom's volvo was interference or not...it makes a big difference when you get to the change interval and its time to decide to change it or push it a little...Which reminds me, I have to tell her its time for another belt change in 5k miles.
But then again, this way manufacturers get to sell more new cars....yay for them...
12-20-2002, 08:49 AM
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It was explained to me one time by a mechanic that timing belts used to be called timing chains because they were indeed chains. Now it would seem to me a chain would be far less susceptible to borking than what we use now, right? Was he handing me a load of **** or what? Anyway it seems ridiculous that a borken $10 belt can cause over $1000 in damage.
than what we use now, right? Was he handing me a load of **** or what? Anyway it seems ridiculous that a borken $10 belt can cause over $1000 in damage.
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12-20-2002, 10:08 AM
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My older brother had a Fiat 124 Spyder back in the 70's, TOC I think it was, and I remember him coming home one day after the timing belt bork and gave me the car for free 
Needles to say it ended up at the scrap yard.
Needles to say it ended up at the scrap yard.
12-20-2002, 10:13 AM
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The timing belt broke on my old 91 CRX si at 87,000 miles. I knew very little about cars at that time. That must have been 1994 or 95. I replaced the belt and it fired right up. It was the luckiest thing that ever happened to me. A mechanic later told me that it was a one in a million chance, and that he has never seen a Honda with a broken timing belt that didn't involve a valve collision. I changed the belt twice more before selling it a few months ago with 172,000 on it. I miss that car.
Most import cars have been interferance style for quite a while now, including all hondas from at least the mid 80's. Interferance style can cause disastrous results when the timing belts break, but it allows an engine to be so much more efficient...
As far as timing chains go, it's true. They lasted a lot longer, but chains stretch, are noisier, and are probably hardder to change since they need some kind of lubrication system.
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Most import cars have been interferance style for quite a while now, including all hondas from at least the mid 80's. Interferance style can cause disastrous results when the timing belts break, but it allows an engine to be so much more efficient...
As far as timing chains go, it's true. They lasted a lot longer, but chains stretch, are noisier, and are probably hardder to change since they need some kind of lubrication system.
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12-20-2002, 10:43 AM
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I believe the correct spelling is "b0rk3d".
The problem (p0rblem?) with our cars isn't so much the interference design - it's that the belts don't last long enough and are much too expensive to replace.
The factory spec on my old Integra was to replace the belts and water pump at 90k miles. My Acura dealer quoted me $450 for this job. At the time I tought that was a little steep....
The problem (p0rblem?) with our cars isn't so much the interference design - it's that the belts don't last long enough and are much too expensive to replace.
The factory spec on my old Integra was to replace the belts and water pump at 90k miles. My Acura dealer quoted me $450 for this job. At the time I tought that was a little steep....
12-20-2002, 10:45 AM
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Let's spread the word out there. Neglet T-belt changes at your peril in all such cars. I agree that it is not stressed enough by most manufacturers. If we can save a friend or two from disaster, it will be worth it.
Now, time to run off and check the design on Mom's Mazda...
Now, time to run off and check the design on Mom's Mazda...
12-20-2002, 10:57 AM
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"timing belts used to be called timing chains because they were indeed chains."
Er ah no. Timing belts have always been called timing belts. Timing chains on the other hand are called timing chains.
And they're not exactly that old. Still in use today would you believe it.
As to hard difficult to replace, they are much easier to replace than a timing belt. Other than all the ancillary crap you have to take off to get to it. Basically you buy new rollers take everything off as one, line up the new ones and slip them on.
And they hardly ever bork. You need them rather than NEED one. i.e. cars still running, just not as well.
Er ah no. Timing belts have always been called timing belts. Timing chains on the other hand are called timing chains.
And they're not exactly that old. Still in use today would you believe it.
As to hard difficult to replace, they are much easier to replace than a timing belt. Other than all the ancillary crap you have to take off to get to it. Basically you buy new rollers take everything off as one, line up the new ones and slip them on.
And they hardly ever bork. You need them rather than NEED one. i.e. cars still running, just not as well.
12-20-2002, 10:57 AM
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From what I understand, Aluminum expands much farther than steel. overhead cams and totally aluminum engines need the stretch of the rubber to compensate for the expansion. Plus a huge wieght diference between the 2 systems.
12-20-2002, 11:03 AM
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From what I understand, Aluminum expands much farther than steel. overhead cams and totally aluminum engines need the stretch of the rubber to compensate for the expansion. Plus a huge wieght diference between the 2 systems. My ford escort was very much the same engine. as the 944 water pump and all.
12-20-2002, 12:18 PM
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These look like a excellent up-grade for a timing belt. Made by Goodyear.
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