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and while you were playing with your puny 1.8L corgy 917 i was playing with my 400cid firebird trans am sizzler, and a corgi batmobile - with the helicopter option!! you mean donahue didnt set all kinds of records in a 1.8L 1,000 hp 917?
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As the new rules for the 3 litre prototypes were not favourable to their existing low-weight, low-power Porsche 908, Porsche decided against developing a new high power engine that could keep up with the F1 designs of the competition's - at least in naturally-aspirated form. In 1976 they would return to sport-prototype racing with the turbocharged Porsche 936 racecars after the engines were tested in Porsche 911 versions.
After their successes with the 917 mainly in Europe, Porsche instead decided to focus on the North American markets and the Can-Am Challenge. For that series, larger and more powerful engines were needed. A 16-cylinder with about 750 hp (560 kW) was tested, but a turbocharged 12-cylinder had initially the same power, with more to come. The 917 chassis also had to be lengthened to accept the longer 16 cylinder engine, and drivers complained that this longer chassis did not handle as well.
The turbocharged 850 hp (630 kW) 917/10 entered by Penske Racing won the 1972 series with George Follmer, after a testing accident sidelined primary driver Mark Donohue. This broke the five-year stranglehold McLaren had on the series. The further evolution of the 917, the 917/30 with revised aerodynamics, a longer wheelbase and an even stronger 5.4 litre engine with up to 1,580 horsepower (1,180 kW) won the 1973 edition winning all races but one with Mark Donohue driving. Most of the opposition was made of private 917/10 as McLaren, unable to compete against the 917 turbos, had already left the series to concentrate on the Indy 500 and F1.
The 917's domination, the oil crisis, and fiery tragedies like Roger Williamson's in Zandvoort pushed the SCCA to introduce a 3 miles per US gallon maximum fuel consumption rule for 1974. Due to this change, the Penske 917/30 competed in only one race in 1974, and some customers retrofitted their 917/10 with naturally aspirated engines.
The 917/30 was the most powerful sports car racer ever built and raced. The 5.374 litre 12 cylinder (90.0 x 70.4 mm) twin-turbocharged engine could produce 1,580 bhp (1,180 kW) with twin turbochargers run up to full boost, a simply astonishing 39 psi, though it usually raced with around 1,100 bhp (820 kW) at 7,800 rpm to preserve the engine. The 917/30 dominated the Can-Am series during the 1973 season. The 917/30 could go from 0-60 mph (97 km/h) in 1.9 seconds, 0-100 mph (160 km/h) in 3.9 seconds, 0-200 mph (320 km/h) in 10.9 seconds, and on to a top speed of 257 mph (414 km/h) +, .These staggering levels of performance, the attendant fuel consumption of the engines, and ever increasing risk, has led to the 917/30 sometimes being cited as the car that killed Can-Am racing.
In 1975 Mark Donohue ran a 917-30 around the 2.66-mile (4.28 km) tri-oval Talladega Superspeedway, in Talladega, Alabama setting a closed course land speed record of 221.160 mph (355.923 km/h). The record stood for four years.
After their successes with the 917 mainly in Europe, Porsche instead decided to focus on the North American markets and the Can-Am Challenge. For that series, larger and more powerful engines were needed. A 16-cylinder with about 750 hp (560 kW) was tested, but a turbocharged 12-cylinder had initially the same power, with more to come. The 917 chassis also had to be lengthened to accept the longer 16 cylinder engine, and drivers complained that this longer chassis did not handle as well.
The turbocharged 850 hp (630 kW) 917/10 entered by Penske Racing won the 1972 series with George Follmer, after a testing accident sidelined primary driver Mark Donohue. This broke the five-year stranglehold McLaren had on the series. The further evolution of the 917, the 917/30 with revised aerodynamics, a longer wheelbase and an even stronger 5.4 litre engine with up to 1,580 horsepower (1,180 kW) won the 1973 edition winning all races but one with Mark Donohue driving. Most of the opposition was made of private 917/10 as McLaren, unable to compete against the 917 turbos, had already left the series to concentrate on the Indy 500 and F1.
The 917's domination, the oil crisis, and fiery tragedies like Roger Williamson's in Zandvoort pushed the SCCA to introduce a 3 miles per US gallon maximum fuel consumption rule for 1974. Due to this change, the Penske 917/30 competed in only one race in 1974, and some customers retrofitted their 917/10 with naturally aspirated engines.
The 917/30 was the most powerful sports car racer ever built and raced. The 5.374 litre 12 cylinder (90.0 x 70.4 mm) twin-turbocharged engine could produce 1,580 bhp (1,180 kW) with twin turbochargers run up to full boost, a simply astonishing 39 psi, though it usually raced with around 1,100 bhp (820 kW) at 7,800 rpm to preserve the engine. The 917/30 dominated the Can-Am series during the 1973 season. The 917/30 could go from 0-60 mph (97 km/h) in 1.9 seconds, 0-100 mph (160 km/h) in 3.9 seconds, 0-200 mph (320 km/h) in 10.9 seconds, and on to a top speed of 257 mph (414 km/h) +, .These staggering levels of performance, the attendant fuel consumption of the engines, and ever increasing risk, has led to the 917/30 sometimes being cited as the car that killed Can-Am racing.
In 1975 Mark Donohue ran a 917-30 around the 2.66-mile (4.28 km) tri-oval Talladega Superspeedway, in Talladega, Alabama setting a closed course land speed record of 221.160 mph (355.923 km/h). The record stood for four years.
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How did they find out?! Blasted dash cams....
Sounds like your batmobile cross bread with your vertibird...
Sounds like your batmobile cross bread with your vertibird...
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Hey thanks for your input, as I said the engine "I" have is a 1.8, and I didn't wantto see this go to the crusher, I don't need to make a mint to keep a great car from going to waste. If your really intersted I will forward pics tonight.
Michael
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--- On Wed, 3/4/09, Daryl G. Jurbala <daryl@talkfree.com> wrote:
From: Daryl G. Jurbala <daryl@talkfree.com>
Subject: 1973 Porsche 917 - $800 (Springfield)
To: sale-aa8qq-1058951497@craigslist.org
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 12:16 PM
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"For sale 1973 Porsche 917, This vehicle is a great for rebuild, engine is
out, transmission is out, interior needs to be redone. I do not have the
original engine or fuel injection parts, the engine I do have is a 1.8. Again
because some cannot seem to uderstand this, vehicle is not running it will need
to be towed, but it does roll on 4 great wheels.
If interested give me a call @ 417-894-8490 thanks for your intrest. "
I'm going to guess that "some cannot seem to understand" because
a 917 did not have a 1.8l in it, and, even in poor shape, a single wheel is
worth more than your asking price. Are you selling a kit car, or a Porsche 914?
Because if it's an actual 917, I'll get my trailer and head on over
right now.
Daryl
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I told him to send over pictures, and if it's a 917 consider it sold. No pictures yet.
Hey thanks for your input, as I said the engine "I" have is a 1.8, and I didn't wantto see this go to the crusher, I don't need to make a mint to keep a great car from going to waste. If your really intersted I will forward pics tonight.
Michael
VW Tech Specialist
Euro Car Tech Specialist
Springfield, MO
--- On Wed, 3/4/09, Daryl G. Jurbala <daryl@talkfree.com> wrote:
From: Daryl G. Jurbala <daryl@talkfree.com>
Subject: 1973 Porsche 917 - $800 (Springfield)
To: sale-aa8qq-1058951497@craigslist.org
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 12:16 PM
** CRAIGSLIST ADVISORY --- AVOID SCAMS BY DEALING LOCALLY
** Avoid: wiring money, cross-border deals, work-at-home
** Beware: cashier checks, money orders, escrow, shipping
** More Info: http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html
"For sale 1973 Porsche 917, This vehicle is a great for rebuild, engine is
out, transmission is out, interior needs to be redone. I do not have the
original engine or fuel injection parts, the engine I do have is a 1.8. Again
because some cannot seem to uderstand this, vehicle is not running it will need
to be towed, but it does roll on 4 great wheels.
If interested give me a call @ 417-894-8490 thanks for your intrest. "
I'm going to guess that "some cannot seem to understand" because
a 917 did not have a 1.8l in it, and, even in poor shape, a single wheel is
worth more than your asking price. Are you selling a kit car, or a Porsche 914?
Because if it's an actual 917, I'll get my trailer and head on over
right now.
Daryl
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I told him to send over pictures, and if it's a 917 consider it sold. No pictures yet.
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Keep us posted, maybe these guys could build you a period correct engine.
Link to rebuild pics: http://www.pbase.com/917carl/917_12_cyl_engine&page=all
Link to rebuild pics: http://www.pbase.com/917carl/917_12_cyl_engine&page=all
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If only I had the cash to bring a car like that back to life properly.
On the super off-chance this is real, I'll have to spend some serious time researching and evaluating whether its even feasible or not to do anything with. At a minimum, I can give it a proper burial (just kidding). Ending up on Craigslist for $800 just isn't right.
On the super off-chance this is real, I'll have to spend some serious time researching and evaluating whether its even feasible or not to do anything with. At a minimum, I can give it a proper burial (just kidding). Ending up on Craigslist for $800 just isn't right.
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I wasn't referring to the production 914/6. I was referring to the 916 that never made it to production. This is from a google search which showed this on a vista.pca.org page :
The Porsche 916
The Porsche 916 never made it to production. 11 models were produced in 1972, and all were considered "pre-production." The car, as you can see, has a 914 body. Flared fenders were added, as were 15x7" wheels with 185/70x15" tires. The 916 had a steel roof, instead of a targa top, for added rigidity. It had fiberglass bumper panels, that were car color.
Underneath was the 911S's 6 cylinder, 190 horsepower engine, giving the 916 a top speed of 145 mph (233 kph). Stiffer springs, pressurized competition shocks, front and rear swaybars, and 4 wheel vented discs added to the package. Weighing 165 lbs less than the 911S, the 916 became the quickest accelerating Porsche yet, going from 0-60 in well under 7 seconds.
Only one 916 was shipped to the US. It was destined for Brumos in Florida, where the climate was so hot that A/C had to be special ordered on the 916. That car was the only one to leave the factory with the A/C option.
Happy days
I wasn't referring to the production 914/6. I was referring to the 916 that never made it to production. This is from a google search which showed this on a vista.pca.org page :
The Porsche 916
The Porsche 916 never made it to production. 11 models were produced in 1972, and all were considered "pre-production." The car, as you can see, has a 914 body. Flared fenders were added, as were 15x7" wheels with 185/70x15" tires. The 916 had a steel roof, instead of a targa top, for added rigidity. It had fiberglass bumper panels, that were car color.
Underneath was the 911S's 6 cylinder, 190 horsepower engine, giving the 916 a top speed of 145 mph (233 kph). Stiffer springs, pressurized competition shocks, front and rear swaybars, and 4 wheel vented discs added to the package. Weighing 165 lbs less than the 911S, the 916 became the quickest accelerating Porsche yet, going from 0-60 in well under 7 seconds.
Only one 916 was shipped to the US. It was destined for Brumos in Florida, where the climate was so hot that A/C had to be special ordered on the 916. That car was the only one to leave the factory with the A/C option.
Happy days