Track day car Voting.... - Page 4

V2Rocket_aka944 · 11-10-2009, 02:04 PM

id love to see the e30 m3 engine in a 944 if someone could fit it.

krystar · 11-10-2009, 02:21 PM

screw the e30 m3. gimme the 5liter S85 V10 hehe

M758 · 11-10-2009, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porrsha

#2: The new SCCA STR class includes Miatas, 944 NA, and early 1980's 911's. I was thinking the Miatas are going to kick ass until I started seeing some posts like yours about the lack of low end grunt from the Miatas. If you had to choose between the 944 and the miata here..what are your thoughts?

I can't say about the STR classes since it will depend on the rules. Things like allowed mods, competition weight. Tire etc will define which car is faster.

Spec Miata vs 944 Spec is mainly driver dependant. The top notch SM's are very fast and well driven and just a bit faster. However the miata has the edge where it can maintain momentum. It does not have the top speed of the 944. Even so the SM is 300lbs lighter then 944 spec. Change that weight balance and the performance may shift.

Even then a early 80's 911 can be very fast too. Again it wil come down to the rules.

ausgeflippt951 · 11-10-2009, 04:01 PM

You really cannot beat the affordability of the miata -- this is why they're so darned popular. They're stupid reliable and ridiculously cheap thrills.

That said, they have absolutely no personality in my honest opinion. I'm a big fan of cars with personality, and the beautiful thing about the world of cars is that there are plenty to choose from that have very similar performance, so why get a car without any personality?

I've driven a number of track-prepped miatas ranging from plain-and-simple first gens to crazy 3rd gens with an LS1. Gotta admit, the LS1 miata was pretty durn fast! But that kind of busts through your target budget...

But aside from turbo- or V8-powered miatas, I just find 'em so darned boring!

So here's what I did (although you already said you didn't like the MR2's): my cheap thrills car is a fully gutted (doesn't even have doors), roll caged, racing seated first gen MR2 with a quite loud exhaust. The go fast and have a rockin' time track car is the 951. Great balance -- the 951 is by far the superior of the two in every way, shape, and form...except when it comes to cost. Also, the MR2 is so beat up and dead-nuts reliable I can take it anywhere and not care about anything...

yeah, I'm rambling -- I know. um, just do what you want.

V2Rocket_aka944 · 11-10-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by krystar

screw the e30 m3. gimme the 5liter S85 V10 hehe

that thing is a boatanchor

TedA · 11-10-2009, 09:01 PM

I have an 86 951, bone stock except for M030 sways that I would let go for $6500. Myself and my son tracked the car for 3 years without incident. My na rocks and is much more fun thru the twisties.

I have instructed in some ex 944cup cars....yikes, just efin yikes.

Potomac-Greg · 11-10-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TedA

I have an 86 951, bone stock except for M030 sways that I would let go for $6500. Myself and my son tracked the car for 3 years without incident. My na rocks and is much more fun thru the twisties.

I have instructed in some ex 944cup cars....yikes, just efin yikes.

Were you at VIR with NASA last month? There was an ex 944 cup car in my HPDE group. Looked rode hard and put away wet.

porrsha · 11-11-2009, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M758

I can't say about the STR classes since it will depend on the rules. Things like allowed mods, competition weight. Tire etc will define which car is faster.

Spec Miata vs 944 Spec is mainly driver dependant. The top notch SM's are very fast and well driven and just a bit faster. However the miata has the edge where it can maintain momentum. It does not have the top speed of the 944. Even so the SM is 300lbs lighter then 944 spec. Change that weight balance and the performance may shift.

Even then a early 80's 911 can be very fast too. Again it wil come down to the rules.

I posted the SCCA approval thread on the autocross forum. link

M758 · 11-12-2009, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porrsha

I posted the SCCA approval thread on the autocross forum. link

All autocross..
That is an entirely different animal from road racing.

SuperLink88 · 11-15-2009, 09:02 AM

You can't beat the chuck it in the corners fun of a first or second generation GTI or Scirocco. And they're pretty cheep too (well the golf is.)

porrsha · 11-15-2009, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M758

All autocross..
That is an entirely different animal from road racing.

I agree..that's why I put it there.

View Poll Results: What track car for $6k?
Porsche 944 Turbo	8	13.11%
Porsche 944 NA	44	72.13%
1995-1996 BMW M3	6	9.84%
Other (Please post what it is)	3	4.92%
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11-10-2009, 02:21 PM	#47
krystar Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Schaumburg, IL Posts: 2,176	screw the e30 m3. gimme the 5liter S85 V10 hehe __________________ Yuliang 1983 944 Panda 2003 Acura RSX TypeS Supercharged

11-10-2009, 04:01 PM	#49
ausgeflippt951 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridge, MA but the car's in Tucson, AZ Posts: 1,872	You really cannot beat the affordability of the miata -- this is why they're so darned popular. They're stupid reliable and ridiculously cheap thrills. That said, they have absolutely no personality in my honest opinion. I'm a big fan of cars with personality, and the beautiful thing about the world of cars is that there are plenty to choose from that have very similar performance, so why get a car without any personality? I've driven a number of track-prepped miatas ranging from plain-and-simple first gens to crazy 3rd gens with an LS1. Gotta admit, the LS1 miata was pretty durn fast! But that kind of busts through your target budget... But aside from turbo- or V8-powered miatas, I just find 'em so darned boring! So here's what I did (although you already said you didn't like the MR2's): my cheap thrills car is a fully gutted (doesn't even have doors), roll caged, racing seated first gen MR2 with a quite loud exhaust. The go fast and have a rockin' time track car is the 951. Great balance -- the 951 is by far the superior of the two in every way, shape, and form...except when it comes to cost. Also, the MR2 is so beat up and dead-nuts reliable I can take it anywhere and not care about anything... yeah, I'm rambling -- I know. um, just do what you want. __________________ Collin '86 951 -- The new guy: def not stock. '86 951 -- Gone to the great 951 land among the clouds Custom-built Dirt Bike w/ Yami 400cc motor...12k RPM and 12.5:1 CR "Anybody can make something that works. It takes an engineer to make something that barely works."

11-10-2009, 09:01 PM	#51
TedA Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Deep Creek, Virginia Posts: 644	I have an 86 951, bone stock except for M030 sways that I would let go for $6500. Myself and my son tracked the car for 3 years without incident. My na rocks and is much more fun thru the twisties. I have instructed in some ex 944cup cars....yikes, just efin yikes. __________________ 1985 944 Track Car 1986 951, Kalahari 1980 SC Weissach Edition 2008 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4, The tow pig FSR PCA Instructor NASA HPDE Instructor "It is useless to put your brakes on when you are upside down" Paul Newman

11-15-2009, 09:02 AM	#55
SuperLink88 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 66	You can't beat the chuck it in the corners fun of a first or second generation GTI or Scirocco. And they're pretty cheep too (well the golf is.) __________________ Matt 1987 944 turbo, Design 90 wheels, Hand made tail pipe, Poorly applied paint, Rock chips on the nose, hood, all four fenders, and the windshield, and no A/C, but I love her anyway. Recently installed Tial 38mm wastegate, Lindsey Racing chips, 3bar fuel pressure regulator, and there's a boost controller in the passenger seat that I'm going to install eventually.