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Help! i have a 1984 944 and a 1990 944s2 and i want to do a swap

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Old 02-01-2010, 01:08 PM
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No doubt the swap is a very big job labor-wise but if he has the whole car (S2), and the motor is sound, I don't see why it would cost him that much out-of-pocket expense.
Old 02-01-2010, 01:54 PM
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Or just buy this: https://rennlist.com/forums/for-sale...e-4000obo.html

...and finish it up with the pieces you have from your spare cars. Then part out the remainder.
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Originally Posted by Mike C.
No doubt the swap is a very big job labor-wise but if he has the whole car (S2), and the motor is sound, I don't see why it would cost him that much out-of-pocket expense.
Well - when he pulls the motor he should probably do a front engine seal and timing belt/water pump as he probably doesn't know when that was done last. I bet the clutch/flywheel probably needs a refresh and motor mounts. Might have a bad cv axle. While he is in there might as well swap for the bigger brakes, late offset suspension. Probably needs pads and rotors and tires.

That is just maintenance - on top of that you have all the fab work needed to change to later electrics - fuse box is in a totally seperate spot on the 85 and later cars. If he wants to swap to the later interior - then piles more fab work.

On top of that when he is done he might have a fun car to drive but certainly nothing of value that he could get his money back out of.

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Old 02-01-2010, 04:29 PM
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If I remember right from another post the DME is on the passenger side floor and in the earlier models is under the driver side floor... and the harness is too long or short or something that makes it a Pain to relocate...

Honestly I think if he sold the valuables of the other 5 cars and just kept the S2 as a donor and bought a decent S2/951 Shell or complete car he'd be way ahead of the game...

Its much easier to swap a M030 suspension into a 951/S2 than do a whole swap to a early car... Plus if you get a 951/S2 shell with a transmission in it still all you have to do is a engine and harness swap...

Like the others have said the 85.5 and later shell is what youd want... the only reason the 951/S2 is ideal is because it has the sexier front end and rear valiance...

I see 944's on craigslist all the time here in florida for way less than $4K
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^^ agree 100% with what your saying Dannie & one more major problem he will come up with, if not using a 951/S2 shell, will be the S2 air box witch will not fite underneath the nose panel of any 924s or 944 na.
Old 02-01-2010, 06:30 PM
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does anyone know a website that some one else has done the same swap
This should give you an idea of what it takes to do a swap like this http://www.944s3.com/chapter1.shtml
Old 02-01-2010, 06:54 PM
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Agreed there are a lot of WYIT items that I personally would do but they don't have to be done. The wiring is no doubt a pain in the *** but buying a few spools of wire of various gage to extend the harness wouldn't be very expensive. If you had to fab a few brackets yourself the sheet metal won't cost that much. He could probably even find a decent used clutch disk for not too much if necessary. I suppose if getting a decent late model rolling shell is possible it would make a lot of this easier.
Oh and how many people do you suppose ever get all their money back on a repaired 944? Shall I count on one hand?
Old 02-02-2010, 12:31 AM
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okay i made a cardomain page you can check out the cars on that page. i will soon up load the 1990 944s2 car pic when i can find my camera http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3830204.. thanks agin for every ones help. i think im gunna go with parting out the cars( and keep the s2.. As long as my dad dose not try to steal the motor for a mid engin rail like hes done to my other car.) i looked up on ebay with the items that are selling high with bids, i think i can sell some things and buy a local nice 944 951/s2 that runs and is in good shape or put my s2 in it. and Dannie i agree the front end and rear valiance are way better on the later 951 and s2.
Old 02-02-2010, 12:49 AM
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that is some christmas gift. wish someone would dump 6 944's in front of my house. no matter what you decide to do with them, one thing you cant buy is patience so use alot of it. even if you do swap in the s2 motor somewhere, itll take time so just be patient and easy with it.

these cars are all worth it in the end. if only you had one that was in top operating condition of the 6, you would definetly be hooked.
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if the offset is right swap the phone dials onto the 77 and sell that as a whole car..! or just drive the 77 for now til you get the money up for the final car you really want...
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Originally Posted by Mike C.
Agreed there are a lot of WYIT items that I personally would do but they don't have to be done. The wiring is no doubt a pain in the *** but buying a few spools of wire of various gage to extend the harness wouldn't be very expensive. If you had to fab a few brackets yourself the sheet metal won't cost that much. He could probably even find a decent used clutch disk for not too much if necessary. I suppose if getting a decent late model rolling shell is possible it would make a lot of this easier.
Oh and how many people do you suppose ever get all their money back on a repaired 944? Shall I count on one hand?
Hey Mike - had to chuckle on your last comment. I agree completely - you and I know that will never get our money back out but I doubt this new guy does

Also he might not have to do those WYIT items to complete a running car but it might only run two weeks then before he has to take it all apart again to have the head rebuilt from a broken timing belt or to go find new cams when the chain tensioner goes.
Old 02-02-2010, 08:05 PM
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I have been up and down a similar road. Don't waste your time with an early chassis. Sell the crap, keep all the goodies (and some extras), and find yourself the perfect 85.5+ body and swap things over.

The other option I'd consider is selling it all and buying an S2 or 951. Or any other type of car you like. If you're really fixin for a project and wanting to put these Porsche parts to good use, I really think your best bet is starting with a late chassis. Otherwise, you're in for a headache.
Old 02-02-2010, 08:09 PM
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Why would you be wasting your time on an early chassis? It may be a little bit more work but it's lighter and you already have two. What else is different (that you don't already have to change for any swap) besides fuel lines between early and late?
Old 02-02-2010, 08:55 PM
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Too bad about that '85,looks like a pretty easy fix.Otherwise it really looks great.
Old 02-02-2010, 09:03 PM
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Nice collection you have there. Some really nice interiors should fetch a decent price. I would tend to agree with most on here...part or sell most and get a late model for the S2 swap. Or sell it all and get a 951 - You'll be glad you did!!!


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