Elliot9

I'm just going to be wasting money on it. I don't want to sell it but realistically I need to. It's going to run me dry of cash which means I risk not being able to pay for classes to continue my education and I'll never be able to recover that money in the long run either: it's not a turbo, it's not in prestine condition, yeah it has kind of low milage at 83,011 but still I've seen many with lower. Owning at Porsche at 20 just isn't as realistic as I hoped it would be. I'm ~$5000 into this car and I can't even really drive it yet without having to stop for oil a few times a week. If someone wants it please take it off my hands, it's not a realistic possibility for me to hang onto this car even to store it and wait for the funds to come around I don't have the space at my parents house.

Elliot9

I can't get pictures of anything until I take it apart again which won't happen until next Tuesday at the earliest.

KuHL 951

Did you remove the actual balance shafts with covers and did they turn very freely when you reassembled them? The torque procedure for the front of the covers and mounts is very tricky and can cause binding and seal damage. If they turned freely that's not the problem, if they felt tight then something is wrong. That has to be frustrating to do it 5 times.

thirdgenbird

Get us pictures of the engine as is so we can try and find the leak. It's not much, but it may help.

Don't give up yet. If I were close, I would love to help with the inspection and repair.

Its not a great car to have at 20 but giving it away would be worse. I bought mine at 22 in my senior year (college). It was rough, but I made it work. I had a laundry list of issues in the first two years. I don't regret my troubles at all... except when I forgot a bolt and bent valves.... but even then I got a freah head gasket, had time to paint and detail the engine bay, and I learned a lot.

4 years ago I had never done anything beyond brake pads and now I've done top ends, a clutch, belts rollers seals, suspension, brake work, electrical work, and the local "foreign" shop has been known to call me for advice.

I also know there are people that know WAY more than me here, there is no reason we shouldn't be able to help.

944Ross

A quart in seven minutes is a massive leak. It isn't the amount of leakage from a seal with sloppy clearance, it's the equivalent of something like a 1/4" hole at 5 bar pressure.

Elliot9

No the balance shafts stayed in the block and they turn plenty freely without any issues. It's beyond frusterating especially when every car I've ever owned has been like this. To fix one thing I have to fix it ten times and waste a ton of money and time, I'm probably the most incompetent mechanic out there, and to think I'm trying to this is a profession is even more defeating.

I don't know if the Bay Area of CA is close to you or not.

I'll try to get some pictures on Tuesday of how the car sits now and as I take stuff apart.

Exactly, which is what I don't get because the only place there is oil coming from is that lower balance shaft seal area. There's no holes, no nothing. I really just don't understand.

944meister

its got to be the wrong lower balance shaft seal, i made this mistake when i changed mine out and it puked oil out profusely. the incorrect seal i put in was maybe .020" smaller than the correct seal, luckily i just confused it with the wrong one in my front seal kit. make shure it doesnt just slide into the shaft housing but has to be tapped in with a rubber mallet as it should be a press fit.

jcslocum

I didn't see mention of the shaft seal area being inspected for a wear groove.

When putting the seal in make sure it's lubed propery and in all the way so that it's square to the shaft.

Good luck and don't give up!

Kerry Chadderton

Don't give up Elliot! I know! It's alway darkest before the dawn. Sickly cliche`but true. Let these guys help and you'll get to the answer. You'll get it fixed and have one unique car, with a story.

JohnKoaWood

OK, 25 posts, and noone local has stepped up to help this kid out yet?

Pics are great, but loose something in the traslation.. someone with P car experience needs to step up!

This will be my 3rd weekend in a row with my hands on someone elses motor.. come on people.

I am willing to bet it is something stupid like a slipped oil cooler seal, or washer in the wrong place.. and yes it is completely possible to have made the same mistake 5 times, as the manuals are sometimes less than 100% CLEAR, and if it was seen or read wrong once, that misread may be perpetuating itself each time this is being pulled apart.

Come on... someone step up.... all it will cost you is time!

Charlie

How about posting the seal numbers from the balance shafts (and which shaft they came from) and the cam seal number. I have received the wrong seals in a kit before. What year is the engine?

Tedro951

+1 for John! If you have the same results after 5 tries, it needs a different set of eyes in there.

1. Correct seal.
2. Loctite on BS bolt.
3. Dye/UV to verify the exact source of the leak.

944obscene

It's a long shot, but what if your shop instructor could call a local Porsche specialist. Someone who works on 944's. Maybe he could get an expert to come down and take a look. I mean, it's worth the call to try. My secialist would probably do that for a shop class in my area.

And if not, it sounds like it needs some experienced eyes in there to see what's up anyhow. I don't think everything could be 100% correct if it's like this after 5 times. And wouldn't it make you a better technician if you finally mastered this and knew what to look for in the future?

rgs944

Since you are on the west coast just give it a little time, I am sure someone close will step up and take a look for you. It is a very satisfying feeling to finally figure it out, everyone here is pulling for you.

V2Rocket

ive owned mine since 15...
if you can wait a few weeks until i come to the bay again i can help.