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Or, at least give it a try. I liked the posting of an earlier suggestion by Paul C about the ideal form of Pasha would be woven in leather, so I picked up on it and it has been on my mind now for several days. I have worked up a kind of corrected and somewhat simpler version of Pasha as I had posted in the Pasha Thread, and now have worked it over a little bit more for this project based on some study of the checker board pattern of woven leather shown also in the Pasha Thread. There I see that for one thing that the leather strips going one way are close to themselves, but the ones going the other way are kind of spaced apart. Based on that I have adjusted my pattern to allow for that and still come out in the correct size.
I have given a lot of thought in just how to make a weaving loom and am getting closer to that. I haven't woven any leather for nearly 60 years, so this is going to be fairly new for me. One of the issues I see with this project is that there are going to be a lot of raw leather edges that I am not accustom to having in my leather or fabric endeavors, but there is a process for dealing with that that I hope to be able to incorporate, and that is to burnish the edges rather than leaving them simply raw cut. That process is commonly used with harder tooling leather and I haven't seen it used with upholstry or garmet leather, but I am going to try. It is going to make this endeavor quite labor intensive since even just cutting out leather strips is going to take a lot of thought and time to accomplish.
Here is a picture of part of the pattern I plan to use.
Last edited by Jerry Feather; 12-31-2022 at 05:13 PM.
Rob, the pattern I have laid out is intended for the seat inserts based on my design of five rather than just four of the pillow components (not sure just what to call them).
Nice project Jerry, so looking at your example the white part is one large peice of leather with various sized rectangles punched out and the red leather strips are woven through it, or is it strips of white and red woven together?
Nice project Jerry, so looking at your example the white part is one large peice of leather with various sized rectangles punched out and the red leather strips are woven through it, or is it strips of white and red woven together?
When I gave your question some thought it came to me that if you cut out all of the white blocks you would have a nice pile of white blocks to throw away and you would be left with another pile of them to try to weave with. That would work only if the remaining pile of blocks were still somehow being held together at the corners by a few leather fibers. Then in weaving the red strips through the remaining white pile you would end up with red blocks in groups of three rather than alternating. What occurred to me next was the idea of not cutting blocks out but simply cutting vertical slits in between them and weaving the red leather in and out through the slits. Then again with the corners being held together with only a few leather fibers, if at all, what you would actually have is vertical strips of leather woven with horizontal strips of leather. That then answers your question, I think
Last edited by Jerry Feather; 01-01-2023 at 11:41 AM.
When I gave your question some thought it came to me that if you cut out all of the white blocks you would have a nice pile of white blocks to throw away and you would be left with another pile of them to try to weave with. That would work only if the remaining pile of blocks were still somehow being held together at the corners by a few leather fibers. Then in weaving the red strips through the remaining white pile you would end up with red blocks in groups of three rather than alternating. What occurred to me next was the idea of not cutting blocks out but simply cutting vertical slits in between them and weaving the red leather in and out through the slits. Then again with the corners being held together with only a few leather fibers, if at all, what you would actually have is vertical strips of leather woven with horizontal strips of leather. That then answers your question, I think
Makes sense thanks, no intention of trying it myself was trying to visualize what you meant by weaving the leather together. I guess that simply dying the pattern onto leather wouldn't work or last.
Actually I think that the only similarity between what I hope to create and what the picture shows is that both the bolsters and the rest of the seats are leather and so will the inserts be leather rather than cloth Pasha. Other than that my woven pattern is going to be so very much more pronounced and quite a bit simpler and/or courser. The main difference with my pattern is that I have eliminated so many of the narrow bands in the middle of the pattern and the rest of the bands are more progressively made rather than the almost random band width of the larger bands of the original Pasha pattern.
Edit: Too, I plan to make these inserts in two colors of Brown, one is hopefuly to match the brown leather in my 82 now and the other I hope to match the Bamboo Beige of the body color of the car.
Last edited by Jerry Feather; 01-01-2023 at 02:07 PM.
[QUOTE= I guess that simply dying the pattern onto leather wouldn't work or last.[/Q
Not so. In another thread, which I think is linked in the Pasha thread, I had developed a diamond Pasha that I was thinking of putting into my Radical Custom 928. I had found a local guy who could print the pattern on a red leather hide, printing in white, and I could work that up into the custom interior. I needed to provide him the pattern in a computer program of some sort , but I never got around to that. Too I don't have the correct color of red in a hide to use. Then I may be changing my custom plan to a different color interior. Nevertheless, I think the pattern can be printed on leather successfully, even if it requires some kind of finish on top.
Any way to merge this project into the Pasha thread? It looks like another fun dimension to add to our "Passion for Pasha"...
I actually gave that some thought before I started my Thread. I decided against it for about 3 reasons. One is that your thread is very old and very long. Two is that your thread seems to have run its course since it now seems to be more about how to recover Sport Seats rather than about Pasha. Third is that given the lack of interest in my recent post in your thread about my recent Pasha design I thought it best to simply start my own thread about my project. If I make any progress with my woven leather project I may post something about it from time to time in your thread.
Last edited by Jerry Feather; 01-01-2023 at 03:44 PM.
It could be done....and really not that difficult. But, I'm afraid that the effort might be disappointing in the end. The woven leather won't have the crisp contrast between the colors that you see on the print. Where the weaves cross you'll have curves, and the illusion of movement or whatever someone might call it that is created by the Pasha pattern might be lost. I would suggest using a really thin top grain for the "base." Cut the slots in the base piece. Cut strips from a thin piece of the contrasting color. I've woven leather before, and using a base piece with slits cut nearly to the edge, and weaving in strips is much easier than cutting all strips and trying to weave them and sew all of the edges together. I'll try to find a pic to show what I'm talking about. With that said, I think that you could create a panel the sized of a seat bottom in less than an hour....and that would be enough to see if you like the outcome.
Above are two methods of weaving. The top pic shows a base with slits cut almost to the edge (with loose strips woven in). The bottom shows all loose strips. As I mentioned above, if it were my project, I would definitely use the method in the top pic. It looks like you have the pattern...simply mark the lines in one direction on the base piece and make the cuts (i.e. across the leather). Cut your contrast color piece strips the opposite direction. When the woven piece is fit to the seat padding, it will be sewn across the weave so it won't come apart.
I have my weaving loom designed and cut out ready to be glued and screwed together. Here it is layed out but not put together yet. See the picture below. It is designed to weave two insert covers at the same time side by side, and is adjustable so that I can first weave two covers for the seat backs and then move the upper bar up and make the seat bottoms since they are a bit longer. I'll be placing the up and down strips first and they will be of the darker leather and then weave the lighter leather crossways from the bottom up.
I have yet to fully design a mechanism or two of them to place on the bottom of the upper crossbar that will be used to displace alternate leather strips so that the cross-ways strips can be easily placed across. I'll be making an aluminum kind of tamping bar to fit crossways to help work the leather strips into place and I'll need some kind of schuttle to help poke the crossways strips through the weave each time..
I'm also going to have to make a kind of tripod to hold the loom upright so that I can work on it from a siting position. I have that pretty well designed also.
Last edited by Jerry Feather; 01-23-2023 at 02:44 PM.
12-31-2022, 11:50 AM
Weaving Leather into Pasha
