Touching up those seat bolsters/steering wheels - Page 3

Bill Ball · 10-31-2006, 07:41 PM

I give this thread 5 stars.

ZEUS+ · 10-31-2006, 07:45 PM

Looks fantastic. Is it possible to repair the bolsters when thy are worn through ?

Tampa 928s · 03-01-2007, 08:53 AM

I have the red leather and there is a Duron store 5 miles from me, but how is it holding up? Any feedback on red!

ceedee · 03-01-2007, 10:01 AM

any feedback on how this stuff holds up at all?
i checked into the SEM stuff and to do the inerior would be about 150 bucks.
duron , if it is durable would be a good alternative

Gary Knox · 03-01-2007, 10:24 AM

This is going to sound like BLASPHEMY, but believe me it works. AFTER you have cleaned the leather and remaining dye (actually paint) on the seat etc. leather, put some lacquer thinner on a rag and rub it gently over the area to be touched up. IF dye (paint) comes off, do it again. When it no longer removes paint, you have a well bonded base to apply new dye (paint) to, and that paint has a better "bite" for the new paint to adhere to. AFTER the lacquer thinner has dried, then apply the new paint. It will last a LONG time if it's good paint. Having used Color Plus, Leatherique, and SEM, I actually prefer the Color Plus, followed by SEM.
Good luck,

Gary Knox
West Chester, PA

Tampa 928s · 03-01-2007, 11:24 AM

I have this as 5007 of the final things to do but will send pixx once I'm done!
Mark

JPTL · 03-01-2007, 01:01 PM

FWIW, prior to putting this product on the seat bolster in my GT, I put a similar, lower quality latex enamel on the leather wrapped steering wheel of my Explorer as a test. I can't think of any spot more susceptible to UV, wear, dirt and oils from my grubby mitts than the top part of the steering wheel in my work truck/every day driver.

In my decision to try this, I figured anything would look better than the dirty, cruddy looking once-beige steering wheel, in which the 'dye' had worn through to the natural leather.
This was a great test spot, since although not cracked, the leather was really dirty prior to my 'dying' it. I used Simple Green to get the grease & dirt buildup off of the wheel. That also took a considerable amount of the old dye off as well. This is an effective but harsh cleanser. I wouldn't recommend it on Porsche leather, unless absolutely necessary. From a dirt/oil standpoint, I can't imagine anybody's bolster being as nasty as the steering wheel in my Explorer.
After more than a year, my Explorer steering wheel has held up remarkably well, and it's been getting considerable UV exposure, and more dirt/rubbing/chafing than a bolster will ever get.
As anybody can attest who's used this Duron method, it's very high quality, and stays somewhat flexible, so if the surface is prepped properly, it will never peel or flake.
Therefore, it's failure over time could only be a gradual fading or rubbing off.
The bolster in my GT hasn't done that as of yet, and still looks like the day that I did the touchup. But if and when it starts to fade or rub off, just a light 'freshening up' with the boatload of 'dye' that I have left over would be all that it will take.

Marine Blue · 03-01-2007, 01:06 PM

I'm thinking of trying this on my wifes Honda which suffers from wear already! Thanks for posting this and the update.

Bill Ball · 03-01-2007, 03:39 PM

So, it looks like this has held up well for close to a year at least.

I have one small area of the drive bolster that could use some dye, so I ordered a small bottle from Leatherique. This stuff sure looks like interior latex enamel!

scott863 · 06-03-2007, 01:04 AM

Did anyone ever find a comparable paint available in California?

Tampa 928s · 07-09-2007, 06:02 PM

My seats are out paint is ready and I want to know are your seats still holding up?
Would you do the same thing again or do something different!

JPTL · 07-09-2007, 06:21 PM

No need for me to do the same thing again, since my touchup has held up really well - actually any wear or deterioration of the touchup isn't detectable at this point. Also, the area has been taking periodic Lexol applications without any splotching, discoloring, etc.
I should mention that the touched up area on the seat of my GT don't see every day use and stay in a pretty controlled environment (garage with very little UV exposure), and the touched up area was only the outer driver's side bolster, so I'm not as 'invested' in a touchup like some others (Steve 88 for instance).
My Explorer's steering wheel has held up remarkably well, and that's getting the worst treatment imaginable. What I'm just starting to see is where my application was a bit thinner than other places; but it's now been almost 2 years; noticeable with a critical eye and was my first attempt with a lesser quality product.
Maybe those who have done more extensive touch-ups in their sharks that get more use can chime in. I'm curious as well.

MGW-Fla · 07-09-2007, 06:34 PM

Hey JP, on the web site for Duron, for their Design Accents paint, they show several different Semi-Gloss varieties: http://www.duron.com/products/interi...at=&lineid=338
Semi-Gloss Interior/Exterior; Semi-Gloss Interior; Semi-Gloss Alkyd Interior. Besides some Satin, Eggshell & Velvet finishes, etc. Which one of the Semi Gloss finishes specifically did you use? You provided a product #, but those don't seem to correspond to the ones they show on their web site. They show three Base paints, Deep, Neutral & Accent?? Also, the comment was made last year about that possibly looking a bit glossy, do you think it is or would you stay with the same Semi Gloss instead of trying a Satin finish perhaps?

I remember reading this last year & had planned on trying it. There is a Duron store not too far from my office. Hope to try this to freshen up my Cashmere color seats in the '85.

Thanks for this post being resurrected to remind me!!

JPTL · 07-09-2007, 06:59 PM

Mel,
You linked to the right paint as far as I can see. The one that I used was the 5th one down, the "Semi Gloss Interior" which is a 100% Acrylic Interior Finish. The specific base that I used was 0106, which is the Accent Base. That was for Classic Gray, which is a medium to dark interior color. Cashmere may use the Neutral Base, but I'm guessing.....
As far as the degree of gloss is concerned, that's a good question to raise. I'm not sure if the Duron computer can pick up the degree of gloss or sheen in a sample (I doubt it). If it can't, I'm guessing that the semi-gloss choice was that of the Duron paint guy. Anyway, this particular semi-gloss is dead on for my Classic Gray leather. Not too glossy (as the photo might look) but not too satin. Just right.
Different colors or supple leather may have a different degree of gloss than that of my Classic Gray, so I'd get an opinion from somebody who's done a touchup on a light color. I believe that Steve 88 could weigh in on your gloss question for lighter leather.

Tampa 928s · 07-09-2007, 07:05 PM

Mine is Can Can wish me luck

I am going over it to clean with asetone and red is showing on the pad seems like someone had put something on it before or is this normal?

10-31-2006, 07:41 PM	#31
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10-31-2006, 07:45 PM	#32
ZEUS+ Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manchester,NH Posts: 1,151	Looks fantastic. Is it possible to repair the bolsters when thy are worn through ? __________________ 1988S4 Auto w/89 low gear trans, LSD, X-Pipe, RMB, AFPR, AAchips, 18's 1984S 5spd Drove it hard,now with Juvius ASE Master Technician Associates in Automotive Technologies, NHTC 1983

03-01-2007, 08:53 AM	#33
Tampa 928s Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 2,738	Long term results I have the red leather and there is a Duron store 5 miles from me, but how is it holding up? Any feedback on red!

03-01-2007, 11:24 AM	#36
Tampa 928s Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 2,738	Let you know I have this as 5007 of the final things to do but will send pixx once I'm done! Mark

03-01-2007, 01:01 PM	#37
JPTL Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Potomac, MD Posts: 1,294	FWIW, prior to putting this product on the seat bolster in my GT, I put a similar, lower quality latex enamel on the leather wrapped steering wheel of my Explorer as a test. I can't think of any spot more susceptible to UV, wear, dirt and oils from my grubby mitts than the top part of the steering wheel in my work truck/every day driver. In my decision to try this, I figured anything would look better than the dirty, cruddy looking once-beige steering wheel, in which the 'dye' had worn through to the natural leather. This was a great test spot, since although not cracked, the leather was really dirty prior to my 'dying' it. I used Simple Green to get the grease & dirt buildup off of the wheel. That also took a considerable amount of the old dye off as well. This is an effective but harsh cleanser. I wouldn't recommend it on Porsche leather, unless absolutely necessary. From a dirt/oil standpoint, I can't imagine anybody's bolster being as nasty as the steering wheel in my Explorer. After more than a year, my Explorer steering wheel has held up remarkably well, and it's been getting considerable UV exposure, and more dirt/rubbing/chafing than a bolster will ever get. As anybody can attest who's used this Duron method, it's very high quality, and stays somewhat flexible, so if the surface is prepped properly, it will never peel or flake. Therefore, it's failure over time could only be a gradual fading or rubbing off. The bolster in my GT hasn't done that as of yet, and still looks like the day that I did the touchup. But if and when it starts to fade or rub off, just a light 'freshening up' with the boatload of 'dye' that I have left over would be all that it will take. __________________ J.P. '91 GT Black/Classic Gray '02 Kawasaki Concours My 928 Site There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -Dave Barry Click for Frenzy 13 website!

03-01-2007, 10:01 AM	#34
ceedee Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: celtown, florida Posts: 1,505	any feedback on how this stuff holds up at all? i checked into the SEM stuff and to do the inerior would be about 150 bucks. duron , if it is durable would be a good alternative

03-01-2007, 10:24 AM	#35
Gary Knox Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: West Chester, PA Posts: 1,003	This is going to sound like BLASPHEMY, but believe me it works. AFTER you have cleaned the leather and remaining dye (actually paint) on the seat etc. leather, put some lacquer thinner on a rag and rub it gently over the area to be touched up. IF dye (paint) comes off, do it again. When it no longer removes paint, you have a well bonded base to apply new dye (paint) to, and that paint has a better "bite" for the new paint to adhere to. AFTER the lacquer thinner has dried, then apply the new paint. It will last a LONG time if it's good paint. Having used Color Plus, Leatherique, and SEM, I actually prefer the Color Plus, followed by SEM. Good luck, Gary Knox West Chester, PA

03-01-2007, 01:06 PM	#38
Marine Blue Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Shore, MA Posts: 4,337	I'm thinking of trying this on my wifes Honda which suffers from wear already! Thanks for posting this and the update. __________________ Afshin 1990 GT, Marine Blue / Linen / Rootwood (The Beverly Hills Car) 1987 S4 5spd, Marine Blue - Gone to a Good Home

03-01-2007, 03:39 PM	#39
Bill Ball Under the Lift Lifetime Rennlist Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alamo, CA Posts: 13,444	So, it looks like this has held up well for close to a year at least. I have one small area of the drive bolster that could use some dye, so I ordered a small bottle from Leatherique. This stuff sure looks like interior latex enamel! __________________ Bill 89 S4 - 217K miles - Supermodel Jag/Eaton blower with 6 PSI and air/water I/C View burnout Another burnout Get ready for Sharks in the Park X - Saturday, May 8, 2010 - Tilden Park, Berkeley, CA - FREE to 928 owners & families If you live in North or Central CA, join our group at Norcal928.org

06-03-2007, 01:04 AM	#40
scott863 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Beverly Hills, CA Posts: 529	Did anyone ever find a comparable paint available in California?

07-09-2007, 06:02 PM	#41
Tampa 928s Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 2,738	Long term update ? My seats are out paint is ready and I want to know are your seats still holding up? Would you do the same thing again or do something different! __________________ Super Charged 1986 928s 5-speed [size="2"][color="Blue"]85 EURO 1968 Corvette 2000 TDI 1998 Caddy 1989 Bmi 735 il

07-09-2007, 06:21 PM	#42
JPTL Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Potomac, MD Posts: 1,294	No need for me to do the same thing again, since my touchup has held up really well - actually any wear or deterioration of the touchup isn't detectable at this point. Also, the area has been taking periodic Lexol applications without any splotching, discoloring, etc. I should mention that the touched up area on the seat of my GT don't see every day use and stay in a pretty controlled environment (garage with very little UV exposure), and the touched up area was only the outer driver's side bolster, so I'm not as 'invested' in a touchup like some others (Steve 88 for instance). My Explorer's steering wheel has held up remarkably well, and that's getting the worst treatment imaginable. What I'm just starting to see is where my application was a bit thinner than other places; but it's now been almost 2 years; noticeable with a critical eye and was my first attempt with a lesser quality product. Maybe those who have done more extensive touch-ups in their sharks that get more use can chime in. I'm curious as well. __________________ J.P. '91 GT Black/Classic Gray '02 Kawasaki Concours My 928 Site There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -Dave Barry Click for Frenzy 13 website!

07-09-2007, 06:34 PM	#43
MGW-Fla Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Jacksonville, Fla. Posts: 2,589	Hey JP, on the web site for Duron, for their Design Accents paint, they show several different Semi-Gloss varieties: http://www.duron.com/products/interi...at=&lineid=338 Semi-Gloss Interior/Exterior; Semi-Gloss Interior; Semi-Gloss Alkyd Interior. Besides some Satin, Eggshell & Velvet finishes, etc. Which one of the Semi Gloss finishes specifically did you use? You provided a product #, but those don't seem to correspond to the ones they show on their web site. They show three Base paints, Deep, Neutral & Accent?? Also, the comment was made last year about that possibly looking a bit glossy, do you think it is or would you stay with the same Semi Gloss instead of trying a Satin finish perhaps? I remember reading this last year & had planned on trying it. There is a Duron store not too far from my office. Hope to try this to freshen up my Cashmere color seats in the '85. Thanks for this post being resurrected to remind me!! __________________ Mel '85 928S; #333; 32V; AT; DunkelBlau/Champagne; Xpipe; AA chipped; Jager mods; Kinesis K28R wheels. '91 928S4; #364; AT; Grand Prix white/dark blue; wife's. '03 Roush Stage II Ford Mustang GT; silver/black; son's. '99 VW Jetta VR6; gold/tan; daughter's. '85 928S; #1076; 32V; AT; gold/brown;(Adopted Out). '90 911/964; Cab.; Linen/Linen;(911 Heaven). '04 BMW Z4 Roadster; 3.0; silver/black; (sold). 928 Owners Club - Fla Rep Last edited by MGW-Fla; 07-09-2007 at 06:55 PM. Reason: typo revision

07-09-2007, 06:59 PM	#44
JPTL Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Potomac, MD Posts: 1,294	Mel, You linked to the right paint as far as I can see. The one that I used was the 5th one down, the "Semi Gloss Interior" which is a 100% Acrylic Interior Finish. The specific base that I used was 0106, which is the Accent Base. That was for Classic Gray, which is a medium to dark interior color. Cashmere may use the Neutral Base, but I'm guessing..... As far as the degree of gloss is concerned, that's a good question to raise. I'm not sure if the Duron computer can pick up the degree of gloss or sheen in a sample (I doubt it). If it can't, I'm guessing that the semi-gloss choice was that of the Duron paint guy. Anyway, this particular semi-gloss is dead on for my Classic Gray leather. Not too glossy (as the photo might look) but not too satin. Just right. Different colors or supple leather may have a different degree of gloss than that of my Classic Gray, so I'd get an opinion from somebody who's done a touchup on a light color. I believe that Steve 88 could weigh in on your gloss question for lighter leather. __________________ J.P. '91 GT Black/Classic Gray '02 Kawasaki Concours My 928 Site There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -Dave Barry Click for Frenzy 13 website!

07-09-2007, 07:05 PM	#45
Tampa 928s Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 2,738	Mine is Can Can wish me luck I am going over it to clean with asetone and red is showing on the pad seems like someone had put something on it before or is this normal? __________________ Super Charged 1986 928s 5-speed [size="2"][color="Blue"]85 EURO 1968 Corvette 2000 TDI 1998 Caddy 1989 Bmi 735 il