Master VIN thread

Vilhuer · 11-28-2007, 04:09 PM

This has been long time coming.

Been meaning to make compilation message containing all 928 VIN sequences in order to find out how accurare info I have so far. Data is based on several sources, mainly Tech spec books, Jörg Austen's book and Carfax database. Aim is to make this list as complete as possible and to use it to calculate as accurately as possible total number of 928's made in each MY for all markets.

Code:

MY   Model     Market   Smallest VIN   Largest VIN   Qty  Total
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78   928       ROW      9288100001        - 102646  2646
     928       USA+CAN  9288200001        - 201139  1139
     928       Japan    9288209501        - 209575    75   3860
79   928       ROW      9289100011        - 103059  3049
     928       USA+CAN  9289200011        - 202285  2275
     928       Japan    9289209511        - 209623   113   5437
80   928       ROW      92A08000011       - 001192  1182
     928       USA+CAN  92A08100011       - 101649  1639
     928 S     ROW      92A08200011       - 201466  1456   4277
81   928       ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZBS800011 - 800657   647
     928       USA+CAN  WP0JA092_BS820011 - 821668  1658
     928 S     ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZBS840011 - 841418  1408   3713
82   928       ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZCS800051 - 800497   447
     928       USA+CAN  WP0JA092_CS820051 - 822701  2651
     928 S     ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZCS840051 - 841502  1452   4550
83   928 S     ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZDS840061 - 841972  1912
     928 S     USA+CAN  WP0JB092_DS860061 - 862146  2086   3998
84   928 S/S2  ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZES840061 - 842088  2028
     928 S     USA+CAN  WP0JB092_ES860061 - 863067  3007   5035
85   928 S/S2  ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZFS840061 - 842228  2168
     928 S     Japan    WP0ZZZ92ZFS849561 - 849660   100
     928 S     USA+CAN  WP0JB092_FS860061 - 862279  2219   4487
86   928 S/S2  ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZGS840061 - 841971  1911
     928 S     Japan    WP0ZZZ92ZGS849561 - 849643    83
     928 S     USA+CAN  WP0JB092_GS860061 - 860937   877
86.5 928 S     USA+CAN  WP0JB092_GS861001 - 863010  2010   4881
87   928 S4    ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZHS840061 - 842244  2184
     928 S4    Japan    WP0ZZZ92ZHS849561 - 849746   186
     928 S4    USA+CAN  WP0JB092_HS860061 - 862481  2421   4791
88   928 S4/SE ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZJS840061 - 842347  2287
     928 CS    ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZJS845061 - 845070    10
     928 S4    Japan    WP0ZZZ92ZJS849561 - 849827   267
     928 S4    USA+CAN  WP0JB092_JS860061 - 861852  1792
     928 CS    USA+CAN  WP0JB092_JS865061 - 865062     2   4358
89   928 S4/CS ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZKS840061 - 841469  1409
     928 S4/GT ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZKS841470 - 842484  1015
     928 S4    USA+CAN  WP0JB092_KS860061 - 861099  1039
     928 S4/GT USA+CAN  WP0JB092_KS861100 - 861250   151   3614
90   928 S4/GT ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZLS840061 - 842652  2592
     928 S4/GT Canada   WP0JB092_LS869061 - 869062     2
     928 S4/GT USA+CAN  WP0JB292_LS860063 - 860517   455   3049
91   928 S4/GT ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZMS800061 - 801710  1650
     928 S4/GT USA+CAN  WP0AA292_MS810061 - 810447   387   2037
92   928 GTS   ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZNS800061 - 801015   955    955
93.E 928 GTS   USA+CAN  WP0AA292_PS815061 - 815148    88
93   928 GTS   ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZPS800061 - 800681   621
93.L 928 GTS   USA+CAN  WP0AA292_PS820061 - 820162   102    811
94.E 928 GTS   USA+CAN  WP0AA292_RS820061 - 820079    19
94   928 GTS   ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZRS800061 - 800583   523
94.L 928 GTS   USA+CAN  WP0AA292_RS820080 - 820199   120    662
95   928 GTS   ROW      WP0ZZZ92ZSS800061 - 800459   399
     928 GTS   USA+CAN  WP0AA292_SS820061 - 820137    77    476
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                                                          60991

None of the numbers are absolutely certainly correct. If anyone has VIN which is not in range please let me know. Same thing with knowledge of smaller limits. All missing or too larger numbers will affect both MY specific and total count of cars made. I expect total to be very close to 61056 mentioned elsewhere. Getting afully close already.

Few earlier threads related to VIN's and number of 928's made:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...d.php?t=311463
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...d.php?t=367219
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...d.php?t=130727

Edit: Fixed typo in '90 MY two Canadian cars VIN.
Edit: Samuel's '87 and '88 upper limits added
Edit: '88 ROW S4 upper limit raised again
Edit: Mistake fixed in '80 MY ROW 4.5L upper limit, it is obviously 001192 instead of 101192
Edit: Jörg Austen book info about 1585 being first ROW '89 MY GT is wrong. 1470 is known GT.
Edit: VIN range upper end checked for ROW and Japanise '81-95 MY models. New cars into '85 Japanise set, '87-88 and '94 ROW sets. 4 cars removed from '89 MY ROW set upper limit. I believe upper end of ranges are now correct or at least very close to it. There might still be some prototypes hiding below normal smallest VIN for some MY's.

JWise · 11-28-2007, 07:36 PM

Erkka,

Thanks for sharing the results of your extensive work.

Any news to report in the search for the elusive '88 US Club Sports?

Vilhuer · 11-29-2007, 04:34 AM

Nothing new on US CS for ages. They will surface eventually like everything else interesting also.

Mike Frye · 11-29-2007, 09:50 AM

Cool stuff. Thanks for gathering and posting this!

928cs · 11-29-2007, 03:14 PM

Hello!

Here are the VIN I have in my database (mostly cars of my club).
1978:
928 ROW, 9288100143 to 9288102402

1979:
928 ROW, 9289100035 to 9289102573

1980:
928 ROW, 92A0800011 to 92A0800500
928 S ROW, 92A0820270 to 92A0821368

1981:
928 ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZBS800020 to WP0ZZZ92ZBS800529
928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZBS840056 to WP0ZZZ92ZBS841357
928 USA: WP0JA0923BS820926

1982:
928 ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZCS800061 to WP0ZZZ92ZCS800475
928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZCS840085 to WP0ZZZ92ZCS841415
928 USA: WP0JA0924CS831238

1983:
928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZDS840099 to WP0ZZZ92ZDS841903

1984:
928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZES840183 to WP0ZZZ92ZES842047
928 S USA, WP0JB0920ES861208

1985:
928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZFS840108 to WP0ZZZ92ZFS842116

1986:
928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZGS840093 to WP0ZZZ92ZGS841597
928 S3, ROW: WP0JB0926GS860440

1987:
928 S4 ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZHS840095 to WP0ZZZ92ZHS842168
928 S4 USA, WP0JB0920HS861634

1988:
928 S4 ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZJS840093 to WP0ZZZ92ZJS842335 (the last ones were S4 SE)
928 S4 CS ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZJS845061 to WP0ZZZ92ZJS845070
928 S4 CS USA, WP0AB092CJS865061 to WP0AB092CJS865062

1989:
928 S4, 928 S4 CS, 928 GT ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZKS840084 to WP0ZZZ92ZKS842440

1990:
928 S4 and 928 GT ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZLS840180 to WP0ZZZ92ZLS842503

1991:
928 S4 and 928 GT ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZMS800259 to WP0ZZZ92ZMS801650

1992:
928 GTS ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZNS800082 to WP0ZZZ92ZNS800978

1993:
928 GTS ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZPS800086 to WP0ZZZ92ZPS800662

1994:
928 GTS ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZRS800302 to WP0ZZZ92ZRS800505

1995:
928 GTS ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZSS800092 to WP0ZZZ92ZSS800364

Here you are Erkka

Samuel

Tom in Austin · 11-29-2007, 04:26 PM

Do .E and .L mean "early" and "late"? Is there any record of what changed between E and L for a given model year? Didn't Porsche save up several small things (like the change from Cup 1 to Cup 2 wheels on my late '94 GTS) and do them all together to be the "L" version?

There's no breakout by VIN between US and Canada, is there?

Vilhuer · 11-29-2007, 05:12 PM

Yes, E = early and L = late. Early is those cars which were done before normal model year change time in summer. These cars always have option M718. It seem to indicate just and only VIN change to make car look on the surface like its next years model. This was legally possible after January 1st of previous calendar year. So what changed between E and L is same as what changed between model years in ROW cars.

Early '93 means car has same parts as '92 MY ROW cars like studs to keep engine block halfs together and simpler breather system in valve covers. Obviously these have US equipment like impact bumpers when parts differ from normal ROW setup. I expect these cars to have '92 N engine and gearbox numbers which are within same set of numbers as those ROW cars which were made at same time.

Early '94 means car has same parts as '93 MY US cars and do not have '94 MY updates like CUP II wheels, RDK delete and pollen filter. I expect these cars to have '93 P engine and gearbox numbers which are within same set of numbers as those ROW cars which were made at same time.

Cars made for USA and Canada share same VIN sequence and are mixed together. Everything points to conclusion that they were made based on orders in random order. Only indication is in options to where car was heading. Specifically C option code which tells to what country car was made for. This determined what kind of equpment was put in like speedo in mph or kph etc.

'90 MY can be minor exception as I suspect two cars were made for Canada without airbags. Those two had different VDS code in VIN which tells what safety equipment is included. In JB0 zero means no airbags and in JB2 two means one bag each for both driver and front passanger. 9061 is GT in Canada and it would make sense if 9062 is in there too be it S4 or GT. They were both very likely made in very beginning of MY as there wouldn't be much sense to start adding bags first and then make just two non airbag cars later on. By using 9000 series VIN Porsche was probably making things easier for themselves and setting up separate sequence for Canada. Very likely they realised soon that it would be much better to just add bags to all Canadian cars too. This makes it much more easier to sell used car into US. I suspect US authorities would not likely allow '90 MY cars into USA without bags. Now someone will obviously come up that 9062 was in US since new but this is my theory until something new comes up.

backnblack · 11-29-2007, 11:00 PM

Thats great info thanks guys.

928cs · 12-19-2007, 05:42 AM

I have just noticed that 92A08000011, the first ROW 1980 928 is in my club.

Samuel

928cs · 01-28-2008, 06:43 PM

Just a short note to inform Erkka that wp0zzz92zJs842342 is now in my club.
This changes the know limit of the 1988 MY for the ROW S4s.

Samuel

FlyingDog · 01-28-2008, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vilhuer

Nothing new on US CS for ages. They will surface eventually like everything else interesting also.

Has anybody Carfaxed them?

Vilhuer · 01-29-2008, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingDog

Has anybody Carfaxed them?

Many times. See for example this thread:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...d.php?t=311463

Problem is that no one seems to know for certain what is their VIN. I have tried practically every combination I can think of but Carfax hasn't given out anything yet. So still work in progress...

Thanks for the update Samuel.

marton · 01-29-2008, 03:45 PM

Samuel thought my 928 was a prototype because the VIN ended in 60. But I understand this type of numbering only started in 83.

my euro 82 registered for road use in August 81 has the VIN WP0 ZZZ 92 ZCS 840 060; the euro 82 series in this list starts WP0ZZZ92ZCS840051. Consequently I strongly doubt that I have a prototype.

BTW, I heard the 2008 euro 928 will be in Germany in September at the Nurburgring; anybody can confirm this rumour?

Marton

FlyingDog · 01-29-2008, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vilhuer

Many times. See for example this thread:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...d.php?t=311463

Problem is that no one seems to know for certain what is their VIN. I have tried practically every combination I can think of but Carfax hasn't given out anything yet. So still work in progress...

Thanks for the update Samuel.

Have you tried a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request through US Customs service? You might need to get a US resident/citizen to do it for you.

Vilhuer · 01-30-2008, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingDog

Have you tried a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request through US Customs service? You might need to get a US resident/citizen to do it for you.

No, gets little too much work for VIN hunting. Now if I lived in US and had some extra $$$ for CS purchase then...

11-28-2007, 07:36 PM	#2
JWise Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 945	Erkka, Thanks for sharing the results of your extensive work. Any news to report in the search for the elusive '88 US Club Sports? __________________ Jarrod Wise '90 928GT "The Velvet Hammer" 310rwhp/325torque - garage queen '98 M3 Coupe 5spd Alpine White/Black - daily driver http://www.youtube.com/user/928gtsfan

11-29-2007, 04:34 AM	#3
Vilhuer Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 6,103	Nothing new on US CS for ages. They will surface eventually like everything else interesting also. __________________ Erkka *1992 928 GTS* 5-speed Oak Green Metallic 22L Classic Gray MX 1992 928 GTS automatic Amethyst Metallic 38A Magenta PZ**

11-29-2007, 09:50 AM	#4
Mike Frye Craic Head Lifetime Rennlist Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Jersey Shore, USA Posts: 7,444	Cool stuff. Thanks for gathering and posting this! __________________ 1985 grey shark (223k mi, over the hill and picking up speed) 928OC Rear seat delete/Porken s300s chips/55psi FPR/Lomas )(-overs/shortened shifter, Snorkel filters Join 928Assist: 928 owners helping 928 owners

11-29-2007, 05:12 PM	#7
Vilhuer Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 6,103	Yes, E = early and L = late. Early is those cars which were done before normal model year change time in summer. These cars always have option M718. It seem to indicate just and only VIN change to make car look on the surface like its next years model. This was legally possible after January 1st of previous calendar year. So what changed between E and L is same as what changed between model years in ROW cars. Early '93 means car has same parts as '92 MY ROW cars like studs to keep engine block halfs together and simpler breather system in valve covers. Obviously these have US equipment like impact bumpers when parts differ from normal ROW setup. I expect these cars to have '92 N engine and gearbox numbers which are within same set of numbers as those ROW cars which were made at same time. Early '94 means car has same parts as '93 MY US cars and do not have '94 MY updates like CUP II wheels, RDK delete and pollen filter. I expect these cars to have '93 P engine and gearbox numbers which are within same set of numbers as those ROW cars which were made at same time. Cars made for USA and Canada share same VIN sequence and are mixed together. Everything points to conclusion that they were made based on orders in random order. Only indication is in options to where car was heading. Specifically C option code which tells to what country car was made for. This determined what kind of equpment was put in like speedo in mph or kph etc. '90 MY can be minor exception as I suspect two cars were made for Canada without airbags. Those two had different VDS code in VIN which tells what safety equipment is included. In JB0 zero means no airbags and in JB2 two means one bag each for both driver and front passanger. 9061 is GT in Canada and it would make sense if 9062 is in there too be it S4 or GT. They were both very likely made in very beginning of MY as there wouldn't be much sense to start adding bags first and then make just two non airbag cars later on. By using 9000 series VIN Porsche was probably making things easier for themselves and setting up separate sequence for Canada. Very likely they realised soon that it would be much better to just add bags to all Canadian cars too. This makes it much more easier to sell used car into US. I suspect US authorities would not likely allow '90 MY cars into USA without bags. Now someone will obviously come up that 9062 was in US since new but this is my theory until something new comes up. __________________ Erkka *1992 928 GTS* 5-speed Oak Green Metallic 22L Classic Gray MX 1992 928 GTS automatic Amethyst Metallic 38A Magenta PZ**

11-29-2007, 03:14 PM	#5
928cs User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Le Mans, France Posts: 369	Hello! Here are the VIN I have in my database (mostly cars of my club). 1978: 928 ROW, 9288100143 to 9288102402 1979: 928 ROW, 9289100035 to 9289102573 1980: 928 ROW, 92A0800011 to 92A0800500 928 S ROW, 92A0820270 to 92A0821368 1981: 928 ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZBS800020 to WP0ZZZ92ZBS800529 928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZBS840056 to WP0ZZZ92ZBS841357 928 USA: WP0JA0923BS820926 1982: 928 ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZCS800061 to WP0ZZZ92ZCS800475 928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZCS840085 to WP0ZZZ92ZCS841415 928 USA: WP0JA0924CS831238 1983: 928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZDS840099 to WP0ZZZ92ZDS841903 1984: 928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZES840183 to WP0ZZZ92ZES842047 928 S USA, WP0JB0920ES861208 1985: 928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZFS840108 to WP0ZZZ92ZFS842116 1986: 928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZGS840093 to WP0ZZZ92ZGS841597 928 S3, ROW: WP0JB0926GS860440 1987: 928 S4 ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZHS840095 to WP0ZZZ92ZHS842168 928 S4 USA, WP0JB0920HS861634 1988: 928 S4 ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZJS840093 to WP0ZZZ92ZJS842335 (the last ones were S4 SE) 928 S4 CS ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZJS845061 to WP0ZZZ92ZJS845070 928 S4 CS USA, WP0AB092CJS865061 to WP0AB092CJS865062 1989: 928 S4, 928 S4 CS, 928 GT ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZKS840084 to WP0ZZZ92ZKS842440 1990: 928 S4 and 928 GT ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZLS840180 to WP0ZZZ92ZLS842503 1991: 928 S4 and 928 GT ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZMS800259 to WP0ZZZ92ZMS801650 1992: 928 GTS ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZNS800082 to WP0ZZZ92ZNS800978 1993: 928 GTS ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZPS800086 to WP0ZZZ92ZPS800662 1994: 928 GTS ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZRS800302 to WP0ZZZ92ZRS800505 1995: 928 GTS ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZSS800092 to WP0ZZZ92ZSS800364 Here you are Erkka Samuel

11-29-2007, 04:26 PM	#6
Tom in Austin Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 769	Do .E and .L mean "early" and "late"? Is there any record of what changed between E and L for a given model year? Didn't Porsche save up several small things (like the change from Cup 1 to Cup 2 wheels on my late '94 GTS) and do them all together to be the "L" version? There's no breakout by VIN between US and Canada, is there?

11-29-2007, 11:00 PM	#8
backnblack User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Clarkston Mi Posts: 365	Thats great info thanks guys.

12-19-2007, 05:42 AM	#9
928cs User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Le Mans, France Posts: 369	I have just noticed that 92A08000011, the first ROW 1980 928 is in my club. Samuel

01-28-2008, 06:43 PM	#10
928cs User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Le Mans, France Posts: 369	Just a short note to inform Erkka that wp0zzz92zJs842342 is now in my club. This changes the know limit of the 1988 MY for the ROW S4s. Samuel

01-29-2008, 03:45 PM	#13
marton Super User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: zürich, switzerland Posts: 2,222	Samuel thought my 928 was a prototype because the VIN ended in 60. But I understand this type of numbering only started in 83. my euro 82 registered for road use in August 81 has the VIN WP0 ZZZ 92 ZCS 840 060; the euro 82 series in this list starts WP0ZZZ92ZCS840051. Consequently I strongly doubt that I have a prototype. BTW, I heard the 2008 euro 928 will be in Germany in September at the Nurburgring; anybody can confirm this rumour? Marton