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Old 06-15-2009, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by the flyin' scotsman
The car has lost ~4l of coolant; if its not very evident externally there's only one other reason.

As previously stated I'd triple check all external hoses, drains and coolant passages.

It just may be time to remove the heads.
It has lost 4L??? in just 300 or so miles?
If all that was going out the pipes, it would look like a steam car.

Something is not adding up here.

Tell me how you did the block check, in detail please.
Was it hot? (you have said it was)
How many pumps did you do on the vapor draw?
Did any coolant get sucked up into the tester?
Have you pressure tested it cold and hot?
After a test drive how long does it take for the radiator hoses to get "not firm" from loss of pressure?
Is it running hot at any point? Has it ever ran hot?

Personally I am not to worried about the milk in the oil filler.
Like I have said, I have seen that before and it just be condensate, but I assumed you cleaned it out before your last test drive.
And it came back, but only there, and you are not "making" any oil? right?

I still think we have a external leak some where.
But I am often wrong when trying to diagnosis problems from my couch.

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Old 06-16-2009, 12:00 AM
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Greg............thats why I questioned the facts............it has to be going somewhere.
Old 06-16-2009, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by blown 87
It has lost 4L??? in just 300 or so miles?
If all that was going out the pipes, it would look like a steam car.

Something is not adding up here.

Tell me how you did the block check, in detail please.
Was it hot? (you have said it was)
How many pumps did you do on the vapor draw?
Did any coolant get sucked up into the tester?
Have you pressure tested it cold and hot?
After a test drive how long does it take for the radiator hoses to get "not firm" from loss of pressure?
Is it running hot at any point? Has it ever ran hot?

Personally I am not to worried about the milk in the oil filler.
Like I have said, I have seen that before and it just be condensate, but I assumed you cleaned it out before your last test drive.
And it came back, but only there, and you are not "making" any oil? right?

I still think we have a external leak some where.
But I am often wrong when trying to diagnosis problems from my couch.

Greg Nettles
Greg,

First I tested the leak tester fluid by exalting into my hand and sucking the exhaled air into the intake hole (pressing the pump 2-3 times). The fluid change from blue to green.

Then I use the "routine maintenance test" as specified in the documentation included with the test. I seat the rubber intake on the radiator filler neck without touching the coolant and squeeze 5 times.

I did the last test with the engine in normal operating temp.

Concerning the coolant pressure test, I did both cold and hot test.

I did not test the radiator hoses to get "not firm" from loss of pressure. Will do today.

Since I bought the car, it has never run hot, at least not on the temp gauge. In fact, the gauge is stable at 1/3 . Like MrMerlin suggest, I will use a IR thermometer to verify for sure.

I drove the car last October from Columbus, OH to Montreal (750 miles) without an issues. Since then I only put 700 miles on it. I changed the coolant this winter during the TB/WP and intake refurb. jobs. The only thing that change was that I use Water Wetter and a mix of 35% coolant - 65 % water.
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The next time you test it get at least 20 squeezes on it.
The one we use is a little different, it has 2 fluid chambers and the top one seems way more sensitive for some reason.

How long are you leaving the pressure tester on?

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Greg,

First I tested the leak tester fluid by exalting into my hand and sucking the exhaled air into the intake hole (pressing the pump 2-3 times). The fluid change from blue to green.

Then I use the "routine maintenance test" as specified in the documentation included with the test. I seat the rubber intake on the radiator filler neck without touching the coolant and squeeze 5 times.

I did the last test with the engine in normal operating temp.

Concerning the coolant pressure test, I did both cold and hot test.

I did not test the radiator hoses to get "not firm" from loss of pressure. Will do today.

Since I bought the car, it has never run hot, at least not on the temp gauge. In fact, the gauge is stable at 1/3 . Like MrMerlin suggest, I will use a IR thermometer to verify for sure.

I drove the car last October from Columbus, OH to Montreal (750 miles) without an issues. Since then I only put 700 miles on it. I changed the coolant this winter during the TB/WP and intake refurb. jobs. The only thing that change was that I use Water Wetter and a mix of 35% coolant - 65 % water.
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Originally Posted by blown 87
The next time you test it get at least 20 squeezes on it.
The one we use is a little different, it has 2 fluid chambers and the top one seems way more sensitive for some reason.

How long are you leaving the pressure tester on?
I also have the 2 fluid chambers type tester. It saids in the docs than the reading should be take on the top one.

I did a 30 miles ride this morning and after 15 minutes there is still pressure on the hoses.

For the coolant pressure test, I left the pressure on (cold test) for about 20-30 minutes. Around 10 minutes for the hot test.
Old 06-16-2009, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by oups59
I also have the 2 fluid chambers type tester. It saids in the docs than the reading should be take on the top one.

I did a 30 miles ride this morning and after 15 minutes there is still pressure on the hoses.

For the coolant pressure test, I left the pressure on (cold test) for about 20-30 minutes. Around 10 minutes for the hot test.
And it is still losing coolant?
How does the oil and coolant look now?

I feel for ya man, I just went through this on another car of mine, it was frustrating.
Old 06-16-2009, 11:22 AM
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one other clue is the coolant mix and then where that car was??
Is it possible that you have gotten the car into freezing conditions and the coolant mix may have frozen and cracked something.
Normal coolant mix should be 50 50 with a bit more coolant added for lower temps
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The coolant drops about 30 minutes after I stop the car. Looks OK ?
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Originally Posted by Mrmerlin
one other clue is the coolant mix and then where that car was??
Is it possible that you have gotten the car into freezing conditions and the coolant mix may have frozen and cracked something.
Normal coolant mix should be 50 50 with a bit more coolant added for lower temps
The car was never driven or store in freezing condition at least not be me
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Originally Posted by blown 87
And it is still losing coolant?
How does the oil and coolant look now?

I feel for ya man, I just went through this on another car of mine, it was frustrating.
Coolant is a bit lower maybe 1/4 of inch. No milky deposit on the filler neck.

I will go for a longer ride and post results.

But I have no idea where the white deposit on the DS manifold is coming from.

Thanks all for your help.
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Originally Posted by oups59
Coolant is a bit lower maybe 1/4 of inch. No milky deposit on the filler neck.

I will go for a longer ride and post results.

But I have no idea where the white deposit on the DS manifold is coming from.

Thanks all for your help.
Have you cleaned that off to see if it comes back?

I spent 2 full days cleaning mine of white stuff from a coolant leak on the way back from SITM.
Old 06-16-2009, 11:40 AM
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Driver Side exhaust manifold
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Originally Posted by blown 87
Have you cleaned that off to see if it comes back?

I spent 2 full days cleaning mine of white stuff from a coolant leak on the way back from SITM.
Yes I clean the filler neck last night and just did it again. I also clean the coolant filler neck to be that the cap is making a good seal.
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Where is the white spot located on the manifold is it near a exhaust port and is it like something leaked on it or is it a hot spot from say steam?


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