Anyone use Schaeffer oil ??
06-19-2009, 03:46 PM
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Anyone use Schaeffer oil ??
Talking to an old friend who use to deal in car parts back in the 80's...he uses this oil. Says its THE BEST....anyone ever use this or any of their oils?
http://www.schaefferoil.com/supreme_9000.html
this is the data sheet...
http://www.schaefferoil.com/msdspdf/9001.pdf
http://www.schaefferoil.com/supreme_9000.html
this is the data sheet...
http://www.schaefferoil.com/msdspdf/9001.pdf
06-19-2009, 03:54 PM
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It's a popular oil on "Bob the Oil Guy Forum"
Do a search around there.
Do a search around there.
06-19-2009, 04:42 PM
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That is the million $$$ question.
I've read every piece of data on the lack of zinc in oils and older engines with flat tapped lifters (like the 928) that I can find. The cam / lifter contact area is the only place were zinc is a possible issue.
In quite a few places it's noted the only issue is with new cams / lifters during the break in period.
So then I ask myself: "When was the last time you ever heard about someone losing a cam due to a lubrication issue or seen abnormal wear on lifters?"
The answer is never.
I'm really starting to think it's not as big of an issue as we make it out to be. The reports where I have found failed cams / lifters were on engines with very radical cams and super stiff valve springs. Even Louie's stroker isn't in this catagory.
I've read every piece of data on the lack of zinc in oils and older engines with flat tapped lifters (like the 928) that I can find. The cam / lifter contact area is the only place were zinc is a possible issue.
In quite a few places it's noted the only issue is with new cams / lifters during the break in period.
So then I ask myself: "When was the last time you ever heard about someone losing a cam due to a lubrication issue or seen abnormal wear on lifters?"
The answer is never.
I'm really starting to think it's not as big of an issue as we make it out to be. The reports where I have found failed cams / lifters were on engines with very radical cams and super stiff valve springs. Even Louie's stroker isn't in this catagory.
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06-19-2009, 05:02 PM
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You have just not talked to the right people, I have seen many stock cams go south, take the lobes right off of them.
The SBC is known for this.
I can not prove it, but I have a 928 cam in the shop that I think the wear on it is from not enough Zinc, I know the owner used SM oils for the last 3 years.
On engines with a lot of spring pressure, you better believe it is a issue.
The SBC is known for this.
I can not prove it, but I have a 928 cam in the shop that I think the wear on it is from not enough Zinc, I know the owner used SM oils for the last 3 years.
On engines with a lot of spring pressure, you better believe it is a issue.
That is the million $$$ question.
I've read every piece of data on the lack of zinc in oils and older engines with flat tapped lifters (like the 928) that I can find. The cam / lifter contact area is the only place were zinc is a possible issue.
In quite a few places it's noted the only issue is with new cams / lifters during the break in period.
So then I ask myself: "When was the last time you ever heard about someone losing a cam due to a lubrication issue or seen abnormal wear on lifters?"
The answer is never.
I'm really starting to think it's not as big of an issue as we make it out to be. The reports where I have found failed cams / lifters were on engines with very radical cams and super stiff valve springs. Even Louie's stroker isn't in this catagory.
I've read every piece of data on the lack of zinc in oils and older engines with flat tapped lifters (like the 928) that I can find. The cam / lifter contact area is the only place were zinc is a possible issue.
In quite a few places it's noted the only issue is with new cams / lifters during the break in period.
So then I ask myself: "When was the last time you ever heard about someone losing a cam due to a lubrication issue or seen abnormal wear on lifters?"
The answer is never.
I'm really starting to think it's not as big of an issue as we make it out to be. The reports where I have found failed cams / lifters were on engines with very radical cams and super stiff valve springs. Even Louie's stroker isn't in this catagory.
06-19-2009, 05:04 PM
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Per their web site...
"Micron Moly® bonds to the metal surface and protects your engine during start-up and shock loading.
Penetro® acts like tiny ball bearings to provide maximum wear protection and helps increase fuel economy."
This is what my friend is telling me. He says its the only company that uses this formula and with our all aluminum blocks it sounds good but is it just that?
He said back in the day they used a make shift machine to show how bearings smoked with ALL other oils under load but not with this oil....I know this was YEARS ago.
"Micron Moly® bonds to the metal surface and protects your engine during start-up and shock loading.
Penetro® acts like tiny ball bearings to provide maximum wear protection and helps increase fuel economy."
This is what my friend is telling me. He says its the only company that uses this formula and with our all aluminum blocks it sounds good but is it just that?
He said back in the day they used a make shift machine to show how bearings smoked with ALL other oils under load but not with this oil....I know this was YEARS ago.
06-19-2009, 05:09 PM
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I'm not disagreeing, but looking at the frequency of other problems like water pumps and rod bearings, if this were really a big deal where are the failures? I'm willing to bet a very large number of 928's on the road are using the new low zinc oil.
High Zinc oil is easy to find and not more expensive, so I do look for it. Just asking an open question.
06-19-2009, 05:10 PM
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Not quite. Agreed until lately the only cam/lifter failures I had heard about and/or seen were on new builds. HOWEVER, in the last 6 months I've personally heard of 3 cars that were of average mileage that died just tooling down the highway due to cam failure. I am betting we will start hearing of more and more as the miles accumulate.
06-19-2009, 05:16 PM
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From their racing oil data on their site.
"Schaeffer's racing oils provide the following
performance-enhancing benefits:
Exceeds all gasoline engine oil specs for American and foreign cars
Extra zinc for flat tappet cam wear protection
Lowers frictional oil drag
Flash point 460ºF for excellent thermal oxidation stability
Increases R.P.M.
Reduces friction and wear
API Service SM
SAE 20W-50 for year-round use
Approved for V-Twin type engines"
"Schaeffer's racing oils provide the following
performance-enhancing benefits:
Exceeds all gasoline engine oil specs for American and foreign cars
Extra zinc for flat tappet cam wear protection
Lowers frictional oil drag
Flash point 460ºF for excellent thermal oxidation stability
Increases R.P.M.
Reduces friction and wear
API Service SM
SAE 20W-50 for year-round use
Approved for V-Twin type engines"
06-19-2009, 05:19 PM
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Sorry, I'm asking specifically a 928 or 944 cam.
I'm not disagreeing, but looking at the frequency of other problems like water pumps and rod bearings, if this were really a big deal where are the failures? I'm willing to bet a very large number of 928's on the road are using the new low zinc oil.
High Zinc oil is easy to find and not more expensive, so I do look for it. Just asking an open question.
I'm not disagreeing, but looking at the frequency of other problems like water pumps and rod bearings, if this were really a big deal where are the failures? I'm willing to bet a very large number of 928's on the road are using the new low zinc oil.
High Zinc oil is easy to find and not more expensive, so I do look for it. Just asking an open question.
Like I said, I do have one cam that a lobe is pitted and worn from a 928S4, it is a intake cam.
The car had less than 100,000 miles on it.
06-19-2009, 05:28 PM
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We just opened up a motor that has run Amsoil for years and found badly pitted cam noses and wear patterns on the lifters. The Amsoil didn't cause it, but the zinc didn't prevent it.