slate blue

Guys most of you would know I don't get involved in public sprays however this problem very directly involves/concerns me. Before entering into this transaction I had no idea of how wrong a deal could go. I sold a complete top end of a GT (minus cams which I sold to another Rennlister in the U.S) engine to a Rennlister in the States. All the parts were cleaned and many reconditioned or ready for reconditioning. Everything was checked and was carefully packed in a crate I custom made.

He, the buyer, did not want me to ship it straight to him but to a place that does work on 928s as they were going to recondition the heads as they owed him some favors otherwise the work could have been finished here.

I enquired a while back with buyer. "Have you got the work completed with heads and other parts such as the cam covers and manifold?" I had sold and shipped them in mid 2006. He said after much prodding to get an answer, that there was a problem and all the parts had been misplaced according to the place that I sent them to. Even the crate I made was missing, as I said to my buyer make sure you get the crate as you can reuse and it will be handy for storage etc. We know the crate was unpacked, so it was not like somebody just made off with the whole crate of parts.

I wont name the parties but given there is a big chance that these parts were sold to unwary Rennlisters. These parts are fairly identifiable, the main components are the heads and the intake manifold. The heads are GT heads and as such they had the port matching done by the factory and of course these are the heads that have the thicker mounting bosses that require the longer bolts. These heads had also had the GTS cooling mods done.

So if you bought some GT heads after June 2006 and the seller said they have "GTS cooling mods done" or you noticed they had it done and the heads were spotlessly clean, be suspicious as these may be my heads. I have photos of these heads and can match them up. The intake manifold was ported and flowed by my head shop and is quite the piece of work. This manifold is a GT manifold as such it has a GT part no. Again be alert if you bought a super nice manifold which had been ported/cleaned up. It was sent uncoated so it may have been coated before it was misplaced/sold which my guess. This manifold I will be able to identify from other GT manifolds due a couple of unique features that I will supply to the authorities.

Also the cam covers, again stripped and the late model version of these, may be painted or coated now. All the fuel lines, nuts washers I sent had been replated with gold passivate, again if you have seen any of this for sale or otherwise, it may be helpful.

Please contact me privately if you have any leads on this problem. Don't ask who the parties are as I wont disclose this, or not until there is a conviction. If you do have these parts or some of the parts hopefully you will be compensated for your loss by the seller. Don't try to cover it up as you don't want to get into trouble that you are not in at present.

There is also a matter of a missing stroker crank, I did not supply this but it is a used crank, so again, not many of these around so if you have been offered one of these please contact me. It is not likely to be publicly offered. I would really like for this issue to get sorted out so that the party involved can this issue off his plate as he has had a lot to deal with and needs to concentrate on his health.

Thanks in advance

Greg

Brett928S2

Hi Greg

Unfortunate this has happened to you...

Good luck with recovery or recompense

All the best Brett

S4ordie

Greg - what is the final outcome you are hoping for here? To have the unscrupulous arrested and charged for a low level crime? That seems like a lot of work/hassle to go through. If it were me and it is now three years later, I'd move on. It seems unlikely anyone who purchased GT components in 2006 and have built their engines with these parts will be willing to disassemble them in order to determine whether they are indeed the missing items. Even if they did what would they do they do in the interim while you try and get a conviction....? Not many GT heads or cams floating around to replace these so the person who unknowingly bought these parts is going to sit around with a dead engine until your buyer can compensate them for their what, out of pocket expenses? Unlikely that will occur. Just being realistic.

I say these things not because I am callous, I am not, but because in some cases it is best to leave principle behind in order to get on with life. The emotional energies needed to try and convict the perpertrators is not likely worth it. Especially if your friend is ill, they should be focused on more positive things.

You say you will not disclose the name of the buisness. Why not? Do so in a way that state the facts. At the very least your buyer should be able to sue the business in small claims court for the lost/missing parts thereby recovering money spent to include shipping charges. There is a shipping manifest to be sure with a signature of receipt at the business when the crate arrived. Do some homework, get the money back and move on.

I wish you peace and luck in this.

worf928

This totally sucks. I for one want to know who it is/was once you are ready to tell us.

I am confused though. Why didn't you get payment immediately or ASAP after receipt of the crate?

MGW-Fla

I agree. I believe Greg's point is there is someone ripping off fellow RL'ers & then potentially selling stolen parts to other fellow RL'ers & that needs to be brought to everyone's attention. I'm sure Greg realizes that odds are, he'll never see his parts again back in Aussieland. But if no one here lets the others know within this community of such situations, then it takes away just one more reason that we all come here to share about 928s yes? Good Luck Greg!

bronto

Did I miss the part where he said he hadn't been paid? I think he's trying to help out his buyer here. And yes, there's "principal" and revenge and justice, and then there's simply protecting the rest of us from an unscrupulous vendor, or unscrupulous employee of a vendor. I'd like to know who it is.

Garth S

This would be my take on it as well .... I credit Greg for a completely altruistic interest in investigating a wrong on behalf of his buyer - plus he's the man that can ID the missing parts, as no one else is in that position!

bigs

Yep.

If Greg was paid by the buyer, but the parts never showed up, why didn't the buyer long ago contact Greg complaining that his parts - that he paid good money for - never arrived???

Greg apparently had to take the iniative to see if his buyer received the parts and completed the work. He states:

"I enquired a while back with buyer. "Have you got the work completed with heads and other parts such as the cam covers and manifold?" I had sold and shipped them in mid 2006. He said after much prodding to get an answer, that there was a problem and all the parts had been misplaced according to the place that I sent them to."

Why would a buyer, who had not received parts he paid for, require "much prodding" to disclose that the parts were missing?

So... To me it actually sounds like the shop where the parts were shipped to is the location where things went missing. If this is the case, then the matter is between Greg's buyer and the shop.

And, if this is the case, then yes - Greg is simply trying to help out his buyer who paid good money yet received nothing.

And possibly trying to help out fellow Listers who might deal with that shop.

But I still find it puzzling that the buyer had to be prodded to disclose the situation.

If the buyer thought Greg had failed to ship parts he paid for, I'd expect his response to be, "You never shipped me the parts, you jerk!!! Where are they?!"

OTOH, if the buyer figured the stateside shop lost or intentionally misused the parts, I'd expect his response to be, "The shop you sent them to lost/sold/gave away my parts, and I'm aggressively pursuing legal remedies against them."

To me, having to prod the buyer for disclosure is the strange quirk in the story.

S4ordie

Agree with this... but a point Greg made up front is the buyer is ill. Greg may be trying to help out someone not in a position to help themselves at the moment. If that is the case, you are a fine human Greg.

Without disclosing the name of the shop he helps no one. Only thing that happens is a bunch of posts about how crappy this is and everyone becomes suspicious. Maybe Greg's intent for posting was to illicit this sort of response that is being read by the offending shop and with the threat of disclosure, is hoping to recover either the parts or the money. Very sly and clever if this is the case. In truth, I'd much rather know who this is, but then I haven't anything to lose.

BBX

What a nightmare. I know how much sleep one can lose over issues like this, but I have to agree with Dan's initial response. He's also right about everyone becoming suspicious of everyone who has sold/is selling parts...
Maybe exposing the other party publicly could coax a resolution?

UncleMaz

Given the timidity of the buyer, I smell insurance fraud.

danglerb

Three years is a long time to leave parts in a shop, things do get lost, and/or thrown away.

BBX

That's true, but it I couldn't see someone just throwing away something that says "Porsche" on it...

bigs

Hmm...

slate blue

I haven't got time now to give a detailed answer to all of the posts, there is certainly no insurance fraud as the parts were not insured by the buyer after they arrived at their destination. They were insured as far as I can remember on route but that certainly finished when they were signed for.

It is also not about trying to pull someone's engine apart, more about locating them and then working backwards to find out how they ended up there. It is also about stopping someone on here from innocently buying these goods. I have been paid so I am not out one nickel when it comes to this transaction except all the time it has taken to go through everything for the buyer.

It is also part of a larger problem in dealing with this place, it is quite a nightmare, my involvement only goes as far as the sale of these goods, that is what I was directly involved with.

I have been involved in a very large lawsuit in Australia where I sued the Australian government for an injury, it went on for 13 years, I have also had various run ins with different suppliers, this legal business is just a drama nobody needs or looks for and it can change people.

Like me the buyer had also been involved in another case due to injury, believe me you just don't want more trouble after you go through things like this. In June 2006 I was hit by an unlicenced driver and badly injured and I have had a back operation and no longer work, oxycontin type drugs every day,( they want me to take Lyrica for you medical types out there) now prior to this I took no drugs at all but when people hear that I have another injury the response is hear we go again. In some regards that is potentially fair.

They are making judgement without knowing the facts, that's for sure but that is what some people do, so when people say why did you need to prod the buyer he was just embarrassed and really not wanting to have to deal with another big problem. I hate having to tell people why I am not working. If you ever go through this you will understand.

Greg