New 32V camshafts

Lizard931 · 11-07-2009, 02:00 PM

Most of you have already seen this information.
But for those of you that havent.

The origonal thread is http://reutterwerk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12927

I am arranging for a set of new cams with much bigger lift/duration to be availible. They are made the same as factory and price will be $1600USD.

The cams are going to the next stage soon and I will be requiring deposits to come in if you wish to get in on this too. The deposit amount is $600USD and will be required by Nov 23rd in order to get in. If you wish to pay via Paypal this is fine, but be aware that the money they charge for the transition will be on top of the amounts.

This is probably a one time deal and will not happen again due to the level of interest. So it is more like a group buy arrangement.

If anyone else is interested in getting in on this then please email me directly.
cjensan 'at' gmail.com

To the mods, and board members, I do not consider this a commercial posting as I am not doing this as a business, just trying to expand/help the community.
But should you feel that this is unacceptable, then please PM me and delete the posting.

jleidel · 11-07-2009, 02:08 PM

Lizard, know of anyone doing something similar with the 16v cams?

BrendanC · 11-07-2009, 03:39 PM

This is a great price if anyone cares. I paid over 1600 dollars total for S3 cams to get the collar moved and then to have the base circle changed, and get more lift and duration, and its not close to the lift available here. I have so much money wrapped up around other car stuff, or I would be on this like white on rice.

FUSE69 · 11-07-2009, 07:38 PM

Hi Colin,

Very interested in these!

Just a question... I have no plans for forced induction and doubt that I will have any major head work done in the near future, though new buckets and springs wouldn't be an issue.... So I basically have a stock NA engine (S4)....
Would the GT+ grind be the best option? or will I be able to use the B1 grind?

Greg Gray · 11-07-2009, 07:43 PM

By Jleidal

Quote:

Lizard, know of anyone doing something similar with the 16v cams?

Marc Thomas is selling some factory blanks that you can get ground to your spec, he has only two sets so contact him asap, search via 2v cam blanks.

Greg

ttaddict · 11-07-2009, 11:57 PM

hello Colin just wondering how many sets are spoken for and I'll probably take 2 sets

the flyin' scotsman · 11-08-2009, 12:10 AM

First............thx for making the cams available and affordable.

In my personal car I'd look at the hi-perf cams with todays stock engine with concern over what profile would be best suited for a possible super charger engine?

Lizard931 · 11-08-2009, 04:54 AM

Ben,
The grind you choose really would depend on what you wish to do with the car. I believe that the B1 grind may loose a tiny bit of torque over the GT+ grind. But I would recommend stronger valve springs for use with these cams. I am still trying to find the cheapest solution for these. But from other threads it looks like the 944S2 springs are a good option.
Depending on your tools and mechanical ability, this can be done with the heads on the car. Be a very good time to replace the valve stem seals too.

Les,
There is definetly room to put you down for 2 sets. I sent you an email yesterday and everything in it will still stand. And the deposit is per SET.

Malcolm,
With the cams, for a SC what is good for NA is good for the SC. With the acception that the SC wont be as kind to a slight amount of overlap. So I would go with the GT+ for that reason.
The good thing is that these are using a 114 LSA so will have the minimal amount of overlap as is possible for the boosted crowd.

Lizard931 · 11-08-2009, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrendanC

This is a great price if anyone cares. I paid over 1600 dollars total for S3 cams to get the collar moved and then to have the base circle changed, and get more lift and duration, and its not close to the lift available here. I have so much money wrapped up around other car stuff, or I would be on this like white on rice.

Thank you for this Brendan, It too a fair amount of work to be able to get the price down to this level as I figured that at this price they should be snapped up immediately. Unfortunatly this has not been the case.

But as I said, this should be feasible still without too many issues. And to those who get on board with this will be very lucky and will have something that I can only see ever going up in value.

FUSE69 · 11-08-2009, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lizard931

Ben,
The grind you choose really would depend on what you wish to do with the car. I believe that the B1 grind may loose a tiny bit of torque over the GT+ grind. But I would recommend stronger valve springs for use with these cams. I am still trying to find the cheapest solution for these. But from other threads it looks like the 944S2 springs are a good option.
Depending on your tools and mechanical ability, this can be done with the heads on the car. Be a very good time to replace the valve stem seals too.

Currently I use the car for for at least 1 trip per year to Nurburgring and plan to try and get to as many track days as possible... other than that it sees about 6 months of use over the summer, pretty much as a weekend car...
So I'm pretty much after as much HP as I can get.... long term goals include getting heads reworked (probably with 968 valves) and ITB setup.
Real question I guess is, what grind can I use and still be reasonably streetable, untill further modifications are done....

Either way, I'm in for a set, it's just to good of a deal to miss out on!

I guess there is still a reasonable amount of time before a decision on which grind is required?

I'll send a mail with questions regarding payment.

Darklands · 11-08-2009, 07:33 AM

Hi,

I have a 5 speed 86.5 here in Germany with all mods from Ken and an X-pipe.

I have a set of used S 3 cams ready to regrind for 850 €.

Colin,what´s the improvement from your cams over regrind ones?
The exchange rate for me is very good so it´s a good option for me.

Cheers

Karsten

Lizard931 · 11-08-2009, 12:08 PM

Ben,
I would go with the B1 then, it will still be streetable due to the wide LSA. But if you want to hold off on having the grind done till say 2 weeks after all the cams are in I will be doing up a B1 grind and putting it into my 87 5 speed to see how it is in there.

Karsten,
If your 86.5 is a model with the 32V engine (being in europe), then I will need to confirm if it is an S4 or S3 engine. Either way though the cams can and will work in your engine.
The advantage to these cams is that you will be able to achieve higher lift and duration over a set of regrinds. As well because the base circle is not being reduced you do not have to worry as to if the lifter is able to compensate for the reduced circle. The other benifit of doing this is that with the larger base circle the ramp rates remain very good so you will see less stress on all the parts with higher numbers.
For the extra few € I would just get the new cams, but then again I am biased!

Darklands · 11-08-2009, 01:19 PM

I have a 928 S 3 ,288 HP build february 1986 with true dual exhaust and big brakes and M 220.

928 cams are complete hardened,not surface only like the 911.

My main wish is more HP at high rpm.The little valves aren´t good for high power on the autobahn at high speed.

Lizard931 · 11-08-2009, 03:10 PM

Karsten,
I can understand where you are coming from on that, and I imagine that the mods from Ken have excited the car a fair bit more than stock. But these would give it a good nother nudge to get you more in the top end.
But as always I recommend that you do all your own research, and make an educated decision as to what you wish to do.

andy-gts · 11-08-2009, 03:48 PM

collin,
ARe these cams welded and reground or are they from blanks.....they sure are a good price. What are the grinds available or is it unlimited.
thanks colin

11-07-2009, 02:00 PM	#1
Lizard931 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Abbotsford B.C. Posts: 4,516	New 32V camshafts Most of you have already seen this information. But for those of you that havent. The origonal thread is http://reutterwerk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12927 I am arranging for a set of new cams with much bigger lift/duration to be availible. They are made the same as factory and price will be $1600USD. The cams are going to the next stage soon and I will be requiring deposits to come in if you wish to get in on this too. The deposit amount is $600USD and will be required by Nov 23rd in order to get in. If you wish to pay via Paypal this is fine, but be aware that the money they charge for the transition will be on top of the amounts. This is probably a one time deal and will not happen again due to the level of interest. So it is more like a group buy arrangement. If anyone else is interested in getting in on this then please email me directly. cjensan 'at' gmail.com To the mods, and board members, I do not consider this a commercial posting as I am not doing this as a business, just trying to expand/help the community. But should you feel that this is unacceptable, then please PM me and delete the posting. __________________ Colin J Don't steal, the government hates competition! 1981 928S Euro, S4 bumper caps, 86 engine, currently undergoing MASSIVE changes. 1987 928S4 Auto 1987 928S4 5 speed They ALL have the porkensioner!

11-07-2009, 03:39 PM	#3
BrendanC Recovering Dis-assembler Rennlist Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gratefully in Paradise (SoCal) Posts: 15,955	This is a great price if anyone cares. I paid over 1600 dollars total for S3 cams to get the collar moved and then to have the base circle changed, and get more lift and duration, and its not close to the lift available here. I have so much money wrapped up around other car stuff, or I would be on this like white on rice. __________________ Looking for S4+ MANUAL transmission to buy.

11-07-2009, 07:38 PM	#4
FUSE69 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 207	Hi Colin, Very interested in these! Just a question... I have no plans for forced induction and doubt that I will have any major head work done in the near future, though new buckets and springs wouldn't be an issue.... So I basically have a stock NA engine (S4).... Would the GT+ grind be the best option? or will I be able to use the B1 grind? __________________ //Ben

11-08-2009, 12:10 AM	#7
the flyin' scotsman Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,526	First............thx for making the cams available and affordable. In my personal car I'd look at the hi-perf cams with todays stock engine with concern over what profile would be best suited for a possible super charger engine? __________________ Malcolm '88 928 S4 A/T Black/Ivory, 160k kms Mods: Motorsport X Exhaust System (sans cats), GT RMuffler, Nology Ign Wires, GT Eproms, Turbo twist Rims, Michelin PS A/S, Momo steering wheel & Gear shift lever, GTS Aero mirrors, Eibach springs, Bilstein Shocks, AFPR, Advanced Cams, PorKen Tbelt Tensioner, PKlamp 928OC Alberta Chapter avatar: Nel Young - 'Rockin' in the Free World'

11-08-2009, 04:54 AM	#8
Lizard931 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Abbotsford B.C. Posts: 4,516	Ben, The grind you choose really would depend on what you wish to do with the car. I believe that the B1 grind may loose a tiny bit of torque over the GT+ grind. But I would recommend stronger valve springs for use with these cams. I am still trying to find the cheapest solution for these. But from other threads it looks like the 944S2 springs are a good option. Depending on your tools and mechanical ability, this can be done with the heads on the car. Be a very good time to replace the valve stem seals too. Les, There is definetly room to put you down for 2 sets. I sent you an email yesterday and everything in it will still stand. And the deposit is per SET. Malcolm, With the cams, for a SC what is good for NA is good for the SC. With the acception that the SC wont be as kind to a slight amount of overlap. So I would go with the GT+ for that reason. The good thing is that these are using a 114 LSA so will have the minimal amount of overlap as is possible for the boosted crowd. __________________ Colin J Don't steal, the government hates competition! 1981 928S Euro, S4 bumper caps, 86 engine, currently undergoing MASSIVE changes. 1987 928S4 Auto 1987 928S4 5 speed They ALL have the porkensioner!

11-07-2009, 11:57 PM	#6
ttaddict User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: poconos PA Posts: 56	hello Colin just wondering how many sets are spoken for and I'll probably take 2 sets

11-08-2009, 07:33 AM	#11
Darklands User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Near Hamburg-Germany Posts: 95	Hi, I have a 5 speed 86.5 here in Germany with all mods from Ken and an X-pipe. I have a set of used S 3 cams ready to regrind for 850 €. Colin,what´s the improvement from your cams over regrind ones? The exchange rate for me is very good so it´s a good option for me. Cheers Karsten Last edited by Darklands; 11-08-2009 at 01:15 PM.

11-08-2009, 12:08 PM	#12
Lizard931 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Abbotsford B.C. Posts: 4,516	Ben, I would go with the B1 then, it will still be streetable due to the wide LSA. But if you want to hold off on having the grind done till say 2 weeks after all the cams are in I will be doing up a B1 grind and putting it into my 87 5 speed to see how it is in there. Karsten, If your 86.5 is a model with the 32V engine (being in europe), then I will need to confirm if it is an S4 or S3 engine. Either way though the cams can and will work in your engine. The advantage to these cams is that you will be able to achieve higher lift and duration over a set of regrinds. As well because the base circle is not being reduced you do not have to worry as to if the lifter is able to compensate for the reduced circle. The other benifit of doing this is that with the larger base circle the ramp rates remain very good so you will see less stress on all the parts with higher numbers. For the extra few € I would just get the new cams, but then again I am biased! __________________ Colin J Don't steal, the government hates competition! 1981 928S Euro, S4 bumper caps, 86 engine, currently undergoing MASSIVE changes. 1987 928S4 Auto 1987 928S4 5 speed They ALL have the porkensioner!

11-08-2009, 01:19 PM	#13
Darklands User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Near Hamburg-Germany Posts: 95	I have a 928 S 3 ,288 HP build february 1986 with true dual exhaust and big brakes and M 220. 928 cams are complete hardened,not surface only like the 911. My main wish is more HP at high rpm.The little valves aren´t good for high power on the autobahn at high speed. Last edited by Darklands; 11-08-2009 at 01:37 PM.

11-08-2009, 03:10 PM	#14
Lizard931 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Abbotsford B.C. Posts: 4,516	Karsten, I can understand where you are coming from on that, and I imagine that the mods from Ken have excited the car a fair bit more than stock. But these would give it a good nother nudge to get you more in the top end. But as always I recommend that you do all your own research, and make an educated decision as to what you wish to do. __________________ Colin J Don't steal, the government hates competition! 1981 928S Euro, S4 bumper caps, 86 engine, currently undergoing MASSIVE changes. 1987 928S4 Auto 1987 928S4 5 speed They ALL have the porkensioner!

11-08-2009, 03:48 PM	#15
andy-gts Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: lawrence,kansas Posts: 335	collin, ARe these cams welded and reground or are they from blanks.....they sure are a good price. What are the grinds available or is it unlimited. thanks colin __________________ 1993 polar silver gts devek level II headers 3" crossover with exhaust cams (ID.258,IL.400,ED.253,EL.368) raptor sc-928 motorsports 426 rwhp(needs much better sharktuning)