Jadz928

I was thinking the same thing, but figured this wasn't done back in the day. It would have required a custom chip/custom tuning.

So with a brain swap to US (32V 85-86), one could've installed O2 sensor. Could run in "closed loop", but I still don't think It would run right. I'm just speculating here.

I remember Normy having a rough running problem with his 85 Euro and found it had US brains. LINK

I vaugely recall him finding a lambda box too.

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https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...-question.html

2V4V hits the nail on the head in his 3rd paragraph

BRB-83-911SC

I can offer up my 84 Euro as a "test case" if you want. Here is what I know:

- has Euro H4 headlights
- has side marker turn signal repeaters behind front wheel
- no running light side markers
- has collapsable bumper shocks, apparently from factory
- has MPH spedometer, rest of dash in German
- has Sekuraflex windsheld with inside layer of plastic (yes, it is gouged from inspection sticker removal over the years)
- has rear fog light switch, though light itself is MIA (need to look for the wiring at the rear)
- has headlight adjuster control (not sure if it is operational)
- has full leather, stitched dash and console
- not sure on door beams
- had cats installed for federlization; PO said they lasted just a few thousand miles before disintigrating, so he removed them - car now has straight dual pipes (no crossover) through to the center muffler then to the OE rear muffler
- based on the cat issue above, I suspect that nothing else was done to adjust for the cats - i.e. O2 sensor, brain thransplant, etc. - which led to their early and fortunate demise. I need to look more closely for evidence of O2 sensors, but I don't think I will find any. How can I verify the brain?

What else should I check for and report back? Love this stuff....

soontobered84

Brian,
The computers can be verified by the part numbers printed on a label on the outside of each computer box.

danglerb

Normy and I both run US brains in our Euros with special chips from John Speake that have a few corrections. Porken might also have some chips that would work, but I haven't checked. I plan on using the LH2.2 version of the sharktuner as soon as I get the time to refine the chip settings more to suit my car.

84 Euro brain has soldered in chips, so a switch to some kind of 85 with chip sockets is needed.

Jadz928

+1 I've done the same thing.

Jadz928

Here's some modified copies of of EPA and NHTSA release papers.

My understanding is you can get copies of the original paperwork, if you can trace your car to a certain port of entry. US Customs at POE may have it, or may be able to give you the customs entry number. Would probably help to know who the importer was (original owner).

Search US ports here
Search port codes here

Attached are reference copies of EPA and NHTSA release:

kawi825

just found this old post. looking for any contact info for looking up the archives/old paperwork for my 78 Euro. Jim, thanks for all the info you posted on this thread. Mine has some of the things mentioned, including the hideous school bus quality side lamps (until i paint it next year).

My car was purchased by a person in NYC and i found the shop who did the work, but they're long gone, and even the US customs guy in NYC couldn't point me anywhere to fidn any old paperwork. Anyone have any contacts i could look up for this? TIA

AirtekHVAC

this does not add much, but my 78 us (#30) has the adjustable headlights.......

danglerb

What is your plan for the paperwork? Just curious or some legal thing?

Jadz928

If the car was properlay imported, the NHTSC (USDOT) has record of the bond release. They can reissue a substitute bond release for a nominal charge.
Contact: Kristi Bragdon (202) 366-5291 Kristi.Bragdon@nhtsa.dot.gov

kawi825

Thanks again Jim, huge help, i'll get in touch w/her.

no issues, i'd just love to get the complete history, exact import date, etc. The car only shows 23k miles, the odo is flaky, but does register most of the time. i figure, even if i doubled the mileage, i'm still only 50k miles, and from the wear on things, it seems like the low miles are very accurate. The original motor mounts even look very good. It was sold from the original owner in NYC in 1985 with 18,000 true miles, and the guy here in town who bought it had a pizza shop 2 miles from his house, so it didn't get driven between the close job, and him working 12-14hr days, so he sold it to his son in law who had a bunch of kids and no time, so it sat alot. My big question is exactly when it was imported. i'd love it if it was new, but i can't seem to get ahold of the original owner shown from the old title.

Thanks again Jim

Ian928

Being from Europe, a lot of the US-specific rules seems strange... But I can not understand why the headlight adjusters vere not legal? The headlights should be adjusted with the car unloaded and the adjuster in top position, so you can not adjust the headlights up and use them to blind oncoming traffic, just to adjust the headlights down if you load the car heavy to NOT blind oncoming traffic. I am wondering what could be considered so dangerous with this system that it needed to be disabled before a US resident could drive the car?

And after all, with the US headlights that also vere needed you would probably not be able to blind oncoming traffic anyway...

Tom. M

How can one expect a driver to hold his coffee..eat his big mac...and adjust the lights at the same time.. That is just impossible.. The regs are probably there to keep our hands where they belong..off the steering wheel

one can't expect the average american to be able to adjust their lights according to conditions.....This would result in folks being blinded even worse than now with all the improperly adjusted lights out there... (or maybe my eyes are just getting old??). Heck..even the superior H4 lights are not "allowed" here....since they need to be adjusted properly to work...which over here would never happen..

ReefShark

My 85' Euro obviously went throught a "drive-through" legalizer...
Mine still has adjustable headlights, although the driving light switch is null and void, the driving lights are wired to come on when I switch on the brights.
One fog light in the rear,still works, side lights, and they actually help me avoid a lane change swipe once. Front and rear parking lights. It did come with smog mog. The door does have a bar. All instruments are German, but the odometer is MPH. I started experiencing a muffler leak and took it down to a muffler shop, guy says, "come take a look at this"... It was the most Godawful welding job I've ever seen. It was leaking around where they tacked on the CC. Guy said he couldn't remove but told me where to get it done. Two hours later with new duel exhaust I hit the interstate and pedal to the floor---- almost lost it, but didn't. I couldn't believe the amount of power that had been choked down. I've never seen anything resembling an O2 hookup, but have deleted the smog s---. It has lots of get up and go, but always something in back of my mind telling me there is more, got to do some detective work on this chip business.