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once upon a time i had a X5 diesel MANUAL......if BMW would have build that further ... i would drive it still today.
Indeed , modern cars are consumption items , out of warranty big time bombs in service $$$$..... bought a new 650i but sold it once warranty was expired , didn't dare to keep it.
Camshaft position sensors ? no.... i want a distributor and carbs
... Have you heard about the Finn who used 30 Kg of Dynamite to blow up his Tesla when he had to buy a new battery for 20,000 Euros?
Yes, gotta carefully kick the battery of an EV in a used car lot. That is, find out how to get the car to report the battery's degradation. It's a known quantity for original Nissan Leaf's (horrible) and for old Tesla's (not bad) — typically — but time will tell for the EVs just coming out.
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If you think of the battery of an EV as you would the engine of a comparable gas car, $22,000 is not much more catastrophic if you somehow manage to ruin one. Some drivers treat their engines (or batteries) kindly, while some abuse them, with similar consequences. (E.g., don't buy an EV from someone who lives in an apartment because it means it was only fast-charged.) I bought a used Lexus once for which folks worried about a fatal transmission problem, which would cost $10,000 to replace (in 2003). I once tried out a used Cayenne that flashed a code from a variable camshaft position sensor - the source of my alternately-stated philosophy against modern gas cars. In favor of a Tesla, however, is that parting out a Tesla is usually lucrative, since the motors and other electrical stuff are highly prized for EV conversions. The Finn did this before claiming his 15 minutes of fame.
can you say something out of your experience about the battery degradation ?
The only thing i know is that "my" batterys ( PC,cell phone,bike,mower etc.. ) degrade to half ? capacity within a few years.
I assume also a Tesla has a max battery cycles ??
Yes, gotta carefully kick the battery of an EV in a used car lot. That is, find out how to get the car to report the battery's degradation. It's a known quantity for original Nissan Leaf's (horrible) and for old Tesla's (not bad) — typically — but time will tell for the EVs just coming out.
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If you think of the battery of an EV as you would the engine of a comparable gas car, $22,000 is not much more catastrophic if you somehow manage to ruin one. Some drivers treat their engines (or batteries) kindly, while some abuse them, with similar consequences. (E.g., don't buy an EV from someone who lives in an apartment because it means it was only fast-charged.) I bought a used Lexus once for which folks worried about a fatal transmission problem, which would cost $10,000 to replace (in 2003). I once tried out a used Cayenne that flashed a code from a variable camshaft position sensor - the source of my alternately-stated philosophy against modern gas cars. In favor of a Tesla, however, is that parting out a Tesla is usually lucrative, since the motors and other electrical stuff are highly prized for EV conversions. The Finn did this before claiming his 15 minutes of fame.
Well, a couple of years ago, I fixed up the engine of my wife's old Volvo. It had about 750,000km (470,000 miles) on the speedometer so the engine was not in the best condition. Those things do not need to cost a fortune. As I did all the work myself, I only had to spend money for the required spare parts which was clearly under $ 1000. Volvo spare parts made in low cost countries do not cost much. I expect the car to be on the road for another thirty years. I also did a small porting job to the cylinder head. The Volvo engine reminds me quite a bit of a the 944 engine.
Åke
can you say something out of your experience about the battery degradation ? ...
Some owners sign up for a service that reports data directly from their cars to a database, including remaining capacity. Tesla actually provides an API to third parties. The data include cars going back to 2012, some with mileage beyond what's shown in the chart. Tesla has always used a good BMS - battery management system - and also trains their owners to be kind to their batteries. Both probably contribute to long life in equal measures. The newer LFP batteries are, I believe, more robust against degradation.
Of course, cell phone companies don't worry about this. Apple only recently introduced software that tries not to abuse their batteries.
After my 928 I've added several cars. I've had the 928 since 1997. But the most notable successor is the 996 Turbo. LOVE the turbo, even though will never part with the 928.
@Mahoney I put 50k commuter miles on a manual '01 Arctic Silver TT from '05 to '11 and it was the best, most reliable car I'd ever driven. It was almost too capable - I didn't find it that fun, and it was probably because it was a DD. Mistake!
Last edited by Pete in DC; 12-29-2021 at 06:32 PM.
@Pete in DC yeah it's an amazing car. I have DD'd it here and there and it is not particularly fun for that. I just love to drive it as much as I can. Like I did with the 928 when I first had it and drove it anywhere and everywhere. And then tracked it for years.
The Turbo is just way too fast to be too much fun on public roads as you allude. I do have some less traveled / less inhabited sections of road where I can really get on it, and it's good for some thrills for sure. So much more fun to drive than the new ones I'd say. I've not driven a 992 yet, but have driven 991 GT3, Turbo S, and Carrera S, and they are all amazing, just way too point and shoot compared to the 996.
Since this thread started my wife and I picked up three more 928's and a Boxster.
I think I'm a life'er.
I am itching to pickup a 2012 - 2015 Audi S5 though. It wouldn't replace any of the 928's. I miss having a Quattro winter beater. Has to be this color:
Interesting perspective regarding the 996 turbos. I have a bunch of seat time in pretty much all turbos since the original Turbo Carrera (Excepting 992). My take is that they are all amazing! While the early cars can be lethal to the unskilled the 991's and 991.2's are fantastic driving machines. The steady march of technology has made each car less visceral and more competent. It takes a lot to get the adrenaline going in my 997 track prepared Turbo Exclusive...
You have to get into serious ticket territory to get this sensation of movement!
Goodness these cars are gorgeous as well...
with cars like that as a DD , i would loose my driving lincense within a week over here..... if i was still able to pay the speed tickets.
Yes, we have speed cameras in about every street..... and now more and more section controls on your average speed......high ways are becoming one chain of section controls.
with cars like that as a DD , i would loose my driving lincense within a week over here..... if i was still able to pay the speed tickets.
Yes, we have speed cameras in about every street..... and now more and more section controls on your average speed......high ways are becoming one chain of section controls.
What does DD stand for, drink driving, drug driving, dangerous driving? Assume it has something to do with top speed driving which is legal on german highways and used to be legal here in Sweden when I got my license but not anymore but the supervision by the police is very poor which I find great.
Åke
12-28-2021, 08:18 AM
