Purists who hate the chevy conversion.... this car is legit.
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Pretty much says it all.....
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Have fun with your 928's people!
greg brown
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Semi-retired, as of Feb 1, 2023.
The days of free technical advice are over.
Free consultations will no longer be available.
Will still be in the shop, isolated and exclusively working on project cars, developmental work and products, engines and transmissions.
Have fun with your 928's people!
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from the looks of this maybe we should do Caddy engines, not Chevy's?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_0vo...ature=youtu.be
or if you want to look at the same run in a Chevy powered car?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaJ3w_fAdoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_0vo...ature=youtu.be
or if you want to look at the same run in a Chevy powered car?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaJ3w_fAdoI
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from the looks of this maybe we should do Caddy engines, not Chevy's?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_0vo...ature=youtu.be
or if you want to look at the same run in a Chevy powered car?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaJ3w_fAdoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_0vo...ature=youtu.be
or if you want to look at the same run in a Chevy powered car?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaJ3w_fAdoI
#320
Eh.......Even the old Fiero's (the one's that didn't catch on fire due to manifold issues) have really been thinned as far as viable chassis over the years and now the MkI and MkII MR2's are being used as donor's. Archie's V8 kinda created a renaissance for that car as (just like the 928), it has an able chassis, but the electrical systems were always touchy (even when new).
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Jeeze, even if there was any validity to the above statement, it's too bad you've totally passed over the superb quality of Bruce's build. have you seen where he's located the engine ? or noted how he's sorted the shorter driveline ? [post 153]. it's one of the most unique projects put up on the 944 forums. and since when has taking the strengths of a well designed car and improving it with a solid, low-cost engine platform instead of running a powerplant that costs a near fortune to build and tune, blows up so easily after so long ago being abandoned by Porsche--deserved such hubris ? is it because the engine isn't from Volkswagon Group or Germany? would these projects suddenly earn tacit approval if they were packing low-displacement, Audi V8s costing much more?
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...-thread-8.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...-thread-6.html
I like this thread because it is really a concatenation of ideas from all the other heavy hitters out there (Patrick, Tony, Jet, etc)
and allows us to answer the question: "If you could do anything you wanted with the 951 while keeping the 'essence' of it, what would you do?"
Being a suspension nerd I take particular interest in mucking/enhancing the Mac Strut and trailing arm but the thread is also making me appreciate how much i want to weld stuff again...
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https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...-thread-8.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...-thread-6.html
I like this thread because it is really a concatenation of ideas from all the other heavy hitters out there (Patrick, Tony, Jet, etc)
and allows us to answer the question: "If you could do anything you wanted with the 951 while keeping the 'essence' of it, what would you do?"
Being a suspension nerd I take particular interest in mucking/enhancing the Mac Strut and trailing arm but the thread is also making me appreciate how much i want to weld stuff again...
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#324
It's almost halarious to read all the post and listen to all the stiff upper lips or mostly referred to as Die Hard Porsche Enthusiast, I replaced all my interior and most exterior lights with LED, is it no longer a thorobred? Porsche calls for Shell gas and Oil, I use Castrol. Michellins came on my car, I now ride goodrich. I know most of us has replaced engine parts with American built parts, alas, it is no longer a thorobred. Those who speak so loudly against the Chevy replacement are probly the ones who have replaced lots of parts with American made. The Day will and is coming, where you will probly no longer will be able to buy 928 engine parts... no not the near foreseeable future, but in the years to come. So what are we to do, build a glass partition around our cars and point to them when we have guest and say, that was a real classic. The shape of the car, its ageless beauty, and handling makes it a supercar for the ages... Replace a part anywhere on the car with a non-Porsche part and you have weakened your arguement. Your day is coming where you WILL have to make the same discision. So, park it or drive it. I have personally comtemplated the Chevy swap, but it just keeps on ticking. It will give up its ghost one day... (Renegade Conversions...how can I help you?) Yes, I'd like to place an order. Not many realist on here, but adamant hardheadedness. and one last thing, it will still be a Porsche.
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It's almost halarious to read all the post and listen to all the stiff upper lips or mostly referred to as Die Hard Porsche Enthusiast, I replaced all my interior and most exterior lights with LED, is it no longer a thorobred? Porsche calls for Shell gas and Oil, I use Castrol. Michellins came on my car, I now ride goodrich. I know most of us has replaced engine parts with American built parts, alas, it is no longer a thorobred. Those who speak so loudly against the Chevy replacement are probly the ones who have replaced lots of parts with American made. The Day will and is coming, where you will probly no longer will be able to buy 928 engine parts... no not the near foreseeable future, but in the years to come. So what are we to do, build a glass partition around our cars and point to them when we have guest and say, that was a real classic. The shape of the car, its ageless beauty, and handling makes it a supercar for the ages... Replace a part anywhere on the car with a non-Porsche part and you have weakened your arguement. Your day is coming where you WILL have to make the same discision. So, park it or drive it. I have personally comtemplated the Chevy swap, but it just keeps on ticking. It will give up its ghost one day... (Renegade Conversions...how can I help you?) Yes, I'd like to place an order. Not many realist on here, but adamant hardheadedness. and one last thing, it will still be a Porsche.
Nice jailhouse lawyering logic.
#326
I think if you go over all the post's here again you would be hard pressed to find many people who are against putting a chevy 350 based on "purist motives". Something either makes sense or it does'nt. If a mod makes sense, meaning cheaper/easier and is done right, people will not have a problem with it. Pesonally I don't want a 400rwhp crappy mpg chevy 350 when all I had to do was strap on 6psi of easy boost to an already great engine to achieve that kind of power. I spin the wheels without trying through the first 3 gears and still get over 20mpg. I just don't see the Chevy 350 route as a great way to go if you have a good engine already. Now if I could see a 6speed Zo6 tranny jump in my car I would be very happy.
#327
What an amazingly long string! I have not read most of the items; don't have that much time left in my life, I would imagine.
I have three vehicles, all of them old and all of them purchased, more or less, new. The '87 928S4 was purchased in Germany, driven up to 130 mph on the autobahn whilst on a ski vacation and then shipped over to Connecticut and now in Wyoming. The speedometer reads 185,000 miles. The engine is sound, leaks a little but does not burn. It's a good engine, not modified in any way. Because of the timing belt I do not consider it a long haul engine.
The second car is a 2002 Cadillac Seville STS with an imitation Porsche 928 engine (I'm referring to the Northstar). It too is a sound engine, designed for the long haul. Currently it has 180,000 miles, no leaks and no burning. Purchased it with 32,000 miles and, compared with the current mileage, I feel like I bought it new.
The third vehicle is a (purchased new) 2000 GMC pickup with the small block engine. It is totally bulletproof. The plugs have never been changed. The engine consumes virtually no oil and does not leak. Gas mileage is amazingly good for such a heavy vehicle. I'm getting pretty old so it is hard to remember how it ran when it was new but it seems to run like new today.
So, which is the better engine? In terms of reliability and total satisfaction for this old f**t, it is the GMC/Chevy hands down. I would rank the Caddy second in terms of the same characteristics. The 928 comes in third primarily because of the need to replace the timing belt and water pump quite a number of times.
Would I replace my third place 928 engine with aan aluminum chevy? Hell no!!! If you buy a used 928 (which I would imagine 99.99% of those reading this would be doing), you are buying the car for its exotic characteristic. You want this car for the same reason I did in 1987. It is a car for the ages. You enjoy the "thumbs up" that you get every once in a while even though your car may be thirty years old. You may be racing your 928 but, if so, why would you want to trade your abilities at getting the most that you can out of this classic for a "hot rod". Replacing the 928 engine with a Chevy?
To use the idiom of todays younger people; you gotta be kiddin me.
F
I have three vehicles, all of them old and all of them purchased, more or less, new. The '87 928S4 was purchased in Germany, driven up to 130 mph on the autobahn whilst on a ski vacation and then shipped over to Connecticut and now in Wyoming. The speedometer reads 185,000 miles. The engine is sound, leaks a little but does not burn. It's a good engine, not modified in any way. Because of the timing belt I do not consider it a long haul engine.
The second car is a 2002 Cadillac Seville STS with an imitation Porsche 928 engine (I'm referring to the Northstar). It too is a sound engine, designed for the long haul. Currently it has 180,000 miles, no leaks and no burning. Purchased it with 32,000 miles and, compared with the current mileage, I feel like I bought it new.
The third vehicle is a (purchased new) 2000 GMC pickup with the small block engine. It is totally bulletproof. The plugs have never been changed. The engine consumes virtually no oil and does not leak. Gas mileage is amazingly good for such a heavy vehicle. I'm getting pretty old so it is hard to remember how it ran when it was new but it seems to run like new today.
So, which is the better engine? In terms of reliability and total satisfaction for this old f**t, it is the GMC/Chevy hands down. I would rank the Caddy second in terms of the same characteristics. The 928 comes in third primarily because of the need to replace the timing belt and water pump quite a number of times.
Would I replace my third place 928 engine with aan aluminum chevy? Hell no!!! If you buy a used 928 (which I would imagine 99.99% of those reading this would be doing), you are buying the car for its exotic characteristic. You want this car for the same reason I did in 1987. It is a car for the ages. You enjoy the "thumbs up" that you get every once in a while even though your car may be thirty years old. You may be racing your 928 but, if so, why would you want to trade your abilities at getting the most that you can out of this classic for a "hot rod". Replacing the 928 engine with a Chevy?
To use the idiom of todays younger people; you gotta be kiddin me.
F
#328
It's almost halarious to read all the post and listen to all the stiff upper lips or mostly referred to as Die Hard Porsche Enthusiast, I replaced all my interior and most exterior lights with LED, is it no longer a Thoroughbred? Porsche calls for Shell gas and Oil, I use Castrol. Michelin came on my car, I now ride Goodrich. I know most of us has replaced engine parts with American built parts, alas, it is no longer a Thoroughbred. Those who speak so loudly against the Chevy replacement are probably the ones who have replaced lots of parts with American made. The Day will and is coming, where you will probably no longer will be able to buy 928 engine parts... no not the near foreseeable future, but in the years to come. So what are we to do, build a glass partition around our cars and point to them when we have guest and say, that was a real classic. The shape of the car, its ageless beauty, and handling makes it a supercar for the ages... Replace a part anywhere on the car with a non-Porsche part and you have weakened your argument. Your day is coming where you WILL have to make the same decisions. So, park it or drive it. I have personally contemplated the Chevy swap, but it just keeps on ticking. It will give up its ghost one day... (Renegade Conversions...how can I help you?) Yes, I'd like to place an order. Not many realist on here, but adamant hardheadedness. and one last thing, it will still be a Porsche.
I"m just going to hlp yoo out here, but if you are going to go out on a limp and lecture others, you might want to use spel check.
#329
I also like my chevy 350 in my Tahoe and it does OK mpg for a big truck. I am getting anywhere from 12 to 15mpg depending how I drive and what I am towing. I would think it is around about 200rwhp. The OP is talking about building a carbed Chevy 350 to 400rwhp. Goodbye 15 Mpg and hello 6 to 8mpg.
What an amazingly long string! I have not read most of the items; don't have that much time left in my life, I would imagine.
I have three vehicles, all of them old and all of them purchased, more or less, new. The '87 928S4 was purchased in Germany, driven up to 130 mph on the autobahn whilst on a ski vacation and then shipped over to Connecticut and now in Wyoming. The speedometer reads 185,000 miles. The engine is sound, leaks a little but does not burn. It's a good engine, not modified in any way. Because of the timing belt I do not consider it a long haul engine.
The second car is a 2002 Cadillac Seville STS with an imitation Porsche 928 engine (I'm referring to the Northstar). It too is a sound engine, designed for the long haul. Currently it has 180,000 miles, no leaks and no burning. Purchased it with 32,000 miles and, compared with the current mileage, I feel like I bought it new.
The third vehicle is a (purchased new) 2000 GMC pickup with the small block engine. It is totally bulletproof. The plugs have never been changed. The engine consumes virtually no oil and does not leak. Gas mileage is amazingly good for such a heavy vehicle. I'm getting pretty old so it is hard to remember how it ran when it was new but it seems to run like new today.
So, which is the better engine? In terms of reliability and total satisfaction for this old f**t, it is the GMC/Chevy hands down. I would rank the Caddy second in terms of the same characteristics. The 928 comes in third primarily because of the need to replace the timing belt and water pump quite a number of times.
Would I replace my third place 928 engine with aan aluminum chevy? Hell no!!! If you buy a used 928 (which I would imagine 99.99% of those reading this would be doing), you are buying the car for its exotic characteristic. You want this car for the same reason I did in 1987. It is a car for the ages. You enjoy the "thumbs up" that you get every once in a while even though your car may be thirty years old. You may be racing your 928 but, if so, why would you want to trade your abilities at getting the most that you can out of this classic for a "hot rod". Replacing the 928 engine with a Chevy?
To use the idiom of todays younger people; you gotta be kiddin me.
F
I have three vehicles, all of them old and all of them purchased, more or less, new. The '87 928S4 was purchased in Germany, driven up to 130 mph on the autobahn whilst on a ski vacation and then shipped over to Connecticut and now in Wyoming. The speedometer reads 185,000 miles. The engine is sound, leaks a little but does not burn. It's a good engine, not modified in any way. Because of the timing belt I do not consider it a long haul engine.
The second car is a 2002 Cadillac Seville STS with an imitation Porsche 928 engine (I'm referring to the Northstar). It too is a sound engine, designed for the long haul. Currently it has 180,000 miles, no leaks and no burning. Purchased it with 32,000 miles and, compared with the current mileage, I feel like I bought it new.
The third vehicle is a (purchased new) 2000 GMC pickup with the small block engine. It is totally bulletproof. The plugs have never been changed. The engine consumes virtually no oil and does not leak. Gas mileage is amazingly good for such a heavy vehicle. I'm getting pretty old so it is hard to remember how it ran when it was new but it seems to run like new today.
So, which is the better engine? In terms of reliability and total satisfaction for this old f**t, it is the GMC/Chevy hands down. I would rank the Caddy second in terms of the same characteristics. The 928 comes in third primarily because of the need to replace the timing belt and water pump quite a number of times.
Would I replace my third place 928 engine with aan aluminum chevy? Hell no!!! If you buy a used 928 (which I would imagine 99.99% of those reading this would be doing), you are buying the car for its exotic characteristic. You want this car for the same reason I did in 1987. It is a car for the ages. You enjoy the "thumbs up" that you get every once in a while even though your car may be thirty years old. You may be racing your 928 but, if so, why would you want to trade your abilities at getting the most that you can out of this classic for a "hot rod". Replacing the 928 engine with a Chevy?
To use the idiom of todays younger people; you gotta be kiddin me.
F
#330
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Bjbpe, as far as the timing belt issue goes, that's just the nature of what it was designed for. There's a reason they used a belt system over a timing chain system... think long and hard about it. Matter of fact, i have a buddy with a GTI who would love to convert to a belt system over the chains used in his VR6.