Ok, i am stumped .. trans fluid help
02-07-2013, 02:51 PM
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Garden sprayer. Great idea!!!
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The days of free technical advice are over.
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02-07-2013, 02:54 PM
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Thanks for the reminder, Mike!
Rob: just think about all the fun you are missing due to not yet owning a RogerBox...
Greg: my pleasure to become that "connection", once I've proven that these fit 100.0% correctly.
To be exact: I paid €5.49 for each at the first DIY shop I saw these, so possibly
better deals to be had still. Additionally, I will find out how much the exact correct ones as pointed out by Mike & Rob will cost.
If it all works out and there is enough interest, then I guess it is simply a question of shipping a dozen or so over to the U.S.A.
Do you happen to know the Nm torque that need to be applied to that filler plug when closing up?
Unfortunately I now have to return my attention back to my work, I'll report back here during the upcoming weekend.
Rob: just think about all the fun you are missing due to not yet owning a RogerBox...
Greg: my pleasure to become that "connection", once I've proven that these fit 100.0% correctly.
To be exact: I paid €5.49 for each at the first DIY shop I saw these, so possibly
better deals to be had still. Additionally, I will find out how much the exact correct ones as pointed out by Mike & Rob will cost.
If it all works out and there is enough interest, then I guess it is simply a question of shipping a dozen or so over to the U.S.A.
Do you happen to know the Nm torque that need to be applied to that filler plug when closing up?
Unfortunately I now have to return my attention back to my work, I'll report back here during the upcoming weekend.
Rob Edwards, oh guru of torque values?
02-09-2013, 04:00 PM
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After having discussed this with Erkka, he came up with a far better idea for a very quick test for these 6mm and 12mm standard quick connectors that I had bought: as he has his automatic transmission of his Amethyst Metallic 928 GTS taken apart at the moment, we could easily test it that way - rather then to "wake up" my car (which is currently tucked in for it's winter sleep, https://rennlist.com/forums/10140045-post3530.html ).
After having dug out my DD from yesterday's snowfall in Helsinki (always a good workout: the ice-layer topped up with lots of snow was far above the bottom of the doors level this time) and arriving at one of Erkka's car storage garages, this is what we did:
Close up look of the filler tube connector that is normally attached to the automatic transmission (as from MY 1986.5 onwards):
And here we connected up the 12mm standard quick connector that I had bought earlier: it made a fully solid and very firm connection (even though this 12mm standard quick connector is a very cheap @ €5.49, it does have the proper ball-bearings inside. That can not been seen, and was/is very difficult to photograph. Trust us however: those ball-bearings are there.):
Taken from another angle, it can be clearly seen that it is fully engaged.
We also tried out the 6mm standard quick connector that I had bought earlier: that did NOT work at all.
Erkka therefor correctly wondered if maybe the 12mm standard quick connector was a "Monday morning model" as that one DID work perfectly (as per the above photo's) while the 6mm did NOT. Hence we decided to buy another couple of those 12mm standard quick connectors at the same DIY store-chain BUT at a different store location, so to eliminate as much as possible buying from the same batch.
The result of that shopping and re-testing by us of two (2) more 12mm standard quick connector: SUCCESS again on those other bought 12mm's too!
So: we have a cheap solution now available for this, another 928 NLA problem solved.
Back at my home I performed still a few quick pressure tests, using my Motive Power Bleeder to create and measure applied air pressure and a 12m ID clear plastic tubing:
I put about 122cm of length of water into the clear plastic tube, and by pure gravity and NO clamp attached nowhere nothing/no water leaked out:
Then I applied 15 PSI via the Motive Power Bleeder with the same setup and still NO clamp nowhere, and still nothing/no water leaked out nor the plastic tube disconnecting/shooting off. Obviously I will make use of clamps when I start using it for ATF fill-up for the automatic transmission, but nice to know factual info - I think (or too nerdy already?
).
And just to write the obvious: when the 12mm standard quick connector is connected properly to the automatic transmission filler tube, the inside valve of the 12mm standard quick connector is pushed open and fluid can flow.
Yardpro, GregBBRD, Rob Edwards, SeanR: you will get a PM from me & Erkka.
After having dug out my DD from yesterday's snowfall in Helsinki (always a good workout: the ice-layer topped up with lots of snow was far above the bottom of the doors level this time) and arriving at one of Erkka's car storage garages, this is what we did:
Close up look of the filler tube connector that is normally attached to the automatic transmission (as from MY 1986.5 onwards):
And here we connected up the 12mm standard quick connector that I had bought earlier: it made a fully solid and very firm connection (even though this 12mm standard quick connector is a very cheap @ €5.49, it does have the proper ball-bearings inside. That can not been seen, and was/is very difficult to photograph. Trust us however: those ball-bearings are there.):
Taken from another angle, it can be clearly seen that it is fully engaged.
We also tried out the 6mm standard quick connector that I had bought earlier: that did NOT work at all.
Erkka therefor correctly wondered if maybe the 12mm standard quick connector was a "Monday morning model" as that one DID work perfectly (as per the above photo's) while the 6mm did NOT. Hence we decided to buy another couple of those 12mm standard quick connectors at the same DIY store-chain BUT at a different store location, so to eliminate as much as possible buying from the same batch.
The result of that shopping and re-testing by us of two (2) more 12mm standard quick connector: SUCCESS again on those other bought 12mm's too!
So: we have a cheap solution now available for this, another 928 NLA problem solved.
Back at my home I performed still a few quick pressure tests, using my Motive Power Bleeder to create and measure applied air pressure and a 12m ID clear plastic tubing:
I put about 122cm of length of water into the clear plastic tube, and by pure gravity and NO clamp attached nowhere nothing/no water leaked out:
Then I applied 15 PSI via the Motive Power Bleeder with the same setup and still NO clamp nowhere, and still nothing/no water leaked out nor the plastic tube disconnecting/shooting off. Obviously I will make use of clamps when I start using it for ATF fill-up for the automatic transmission, but nice to know factual info - I think (or too nerdy already?
).And just to write the obvious: when the 12mm standard quick connector is connected properly to the automatic transmission filler tube, the inside valve of the 12mm standard quick connector is pushed open and fluid can flow.
Yardpro, GregBBRD, Rob Edwards, SeanR: you will get a PM from me & Erkka.
Last edited by Arnoud; 02-09-2013 at 04:01 PM. Reason: Typo
02-09-2013, 06:19 PM
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After having discussed this with Erkka, he came up with a far better idea for a very quick test for these 6mm and 12mm standard quick connectors that I had bought: as he has his automatic transmission of his Amethyst Metallic 928 GTS taken apart at the moment, we could easily test it that way - rather then to "wake up" my car (which is currently tucked in for it's winter sleep, https://rennlist.com/forums/10140045-post3530.html ).
After having dug out my DD from yesterday's snowfall in Helsinki (always a good workout: the ice-layer topped up with lots of snow was far above the bottom of the doors level this time) and arriving at one of Erkka's car storage garages, this is what we did:
Close up look of the filler tube connector that is normally attached to the automatic transmission (as from MY 1986.5 onwards):
[ATTACH]701807[/ATTA
And here we connected up the 12mm standard quick connector that I had bought earlier: it made a fully solid and very firm connection (even though this 12mm standard quick connector is a very cheap @ €5.49, it does have the proper ball-bearings inside. That can not been seen, and was/is very difficult to photograph. Trust us however: those ball-bearings are there.):
Attachment 701808
Taken from another angle, it can be clearly seen that it is fully engaged.
Attachment 701809
We also tried out the 6mm standard quick connector that I had bought earlier: that did NOT work at all.
Erkka therefor correctly wondered if maybe the 12mm standard quick connector was a "Monday morning model" as that one DID work perfectly (as per the above photo's) while the 6mm did NOT. Hence we decided to buy another couple of those 12mm standard quick connectors at the same DIY store-chain BUT at a different store location, so to eliminate as much as possible buying from the same batch.
The result of that shopping and re-testing by us of two (2) more 12mm standard quick connector: SUCCESS again on those other bought 12mm's too!
So: we have a cheap solution now available for this, another 928 NLA problem solved.
Back at my home I performed still a few quick pressure tests, using my Motive Power Bleeder to create and measure applied air pressure and a 12m ID clear plastic tubing:
Attachment 701810
I put about 122cm of length of water into the clear plastic tube, and by pure gravity and NO clamp attached nowhere nothing/no water leaked out:
Attachment 701811
Then I applied 15 PSI via the Motive Power Bleeder with the same setup and still NO clamp nowhere, and still nothing/no water leaked out nor the plastic tube disconnecting/shooting off. Obviously I will make use of clamps when I start using it for ATF fill-up for the automatic transmission, but nice to know factual info - I think (or too nerdy already? ).
And just to write the obvious: when the 12mm standard quick connector is connected properly to the automatic transmission filler tube, the inside valve of the 12mm standard quick connector is pushed open and fluid can flow.
Yardpro, GregBBRD, Rob Edwards, SeanR: you will get a PM from me & Erkka.
After having dug out my DD from yesterday's snowfall in Helsinki (always a good workout: the ice-layer topped up with lots of snow was far above the bottom of the doors level this time) and arriving at one of Erkka's car storage garages, this is what we did:
Close up look of the filler tube connector that is normally attached to the automatic transmission (as from MY 1986.5 onwards):
[ATTACH]701807[/ATTA
And here we connected up the 12mm standard quick connector that I had bought earlier: it made a fully solid and very firm connection (even though this 12mm standard quick connector is a very cheap @ €5.49, it does have the proper ball-bearings inside. That can not been seen, and was/is very difficult to photograph. Trust us however: those ball-bearings are there.):
Attachment 701808
Taken from another angle, it can be clearly seen that it is fully engaged.
Attachment 701809
We also tried out the 6mm standard quick connector that I had bought earlier: that did NOT work at all.
Erkka therefor correctly wondered if maybe the 12mm standard quick connector was a "Monday morning model" as that one DID work perfectly (as per the above photo's) while the 6mm did NOT. Hence we decided to buy another couple of those 12mm standard quick connectors at the same DIY store-chain BUT at a different store location, so to eliminate as much as possible buying from the same batch.
The result of that shopping and re-testing by us of two (2) more 12mm standard quick connector: SUCCESS again on those other bought 12mm's too!
So: we have a cheap solution now available for this, another 928 NLA problem solved.
Back at my home I performed still a few quick pressure tests, using my Motive Power Bleeder to create and measure applied air pressure and a 12m ID clear plastic tubing:
Attachment 701810
I put about 122cm of length of water into the clear plastic tube, and by pure gravity and NO clamp attached nowhere nothing/no water leaked out:
Attachment 701811
Then I applied 15 PSI via the Motive Power Bleeder with the same setup and still NO clamp nowhere, and still nothing/no water leaked out nor the plastic tube disconnecting/shooting off. Obviously I will make use of clamps when I start using it for ATF fill-up for the automatic transmission, but nice to know factual info - I think (or too nerdy already?
).And just to write the obvious: when the 12mm standard quick connector is connected properly to the automatic transmission filler tube, the inside valve of the 12mm standard quick connector is pushed open and fluid can flow.
Yardpro, GregBBRD, Rob Edwards, SeanR: you will get a PM from me & Erkka.
02-09-2013, 08:37 PM
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Here's a pic I found from a few years ago of a 928 I don't have any more (it has a sunroof).
It was the cheapest 2 gallon sprayer they had at my local home depot-equivalent - its never had anything other than diff oil in it. I just fill with 4.5L, pump it up and then leave it along with a small catch-can to get the drips once its full.
I recommend picking one that has a fairly large ID hose on it - to speed up the time taken. Mine is maybe a 3mm ID hose, and it takes almost an hour to fill a manual transmission - which isn't an issue for me as I'm not billing or delivering to a timescale.
It was the cheapest 2 gallon sprayer they had at my local home depot-equivalent - its never had anything other than diff oil in it. I just fill with 4.5L, pump it up and then leave it along with a small catch-can to get the drips once its full.
I recommend picking one that has a fairly large ID hose on it - to speed up the time taken. Mine is maybe a 3mm ID hose, and it takes almost an hour to fill a manual transmission - which isn't an issue for me as I'm not billing or delivering to a timescale.
02-10-2013, 03:11 PM
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Joe and Mike (and possible other interested 928 Rennlister's for this item):
- At the moment € 1.00 = US$ 1.34 (see: http://markets.ft.com/research/Markets/Currencies ).
- This 12mm standard quick connector cost = € 5.49 (see: http://www.biltema.fi/fi/Tyokalut/Pa...aliitos-15588/ ). So anybody living in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark will know where to get these.
- Airmail post for 100 gram package from Finland to outside Europe = € 3.90 (see: http://www.posti.fi/liitteet/hinnatj...palvelu_en.pdf , page 15), post weighing from 101-250 gram = € 6.60.
Kept in it's original packaging the total weight is just over 100 gram (102 gram), by taken it out from it's original package the total weight drops under 100 grams - saving a few bucks on postage:
---> Total cost: € 9.39 or US$ 12.58 (or if you want full original in tact packaging thereby increasing the postage cost for the 101-250 gram shipping tariff: € 12.09 or US$ 16.20).
I went to the shop this afternoon and bought a few brand new ones, in case nobody is interested I can always return them. PM me with your shipping address if you want one.
- At the moment € 1.00 = US$ 1.34 (see: http://markets.ft.com/research/Markets/Currencies ).
- This 12mm standard quick connector cost = € 5.49 (see: http://www.biltema.fi/fi/Tyokalut/Pa...aliitos-15588/ ). So anybody living in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark will know where to get these.
- Airmail post for 100 gram package from Finland to outside Europe = € 3.90 (see: http://www.posti.fi/liitteet/hinnatj...palvelu_en.pdf , page 15), post weighing from 101-250 gram = € 6.60.
Kept in it's original packaging the total weight is just over 100 gram (102 gram), by taken it out from it's original package the total weight drops under 100 grams - saving a few bucks on postage:
---> Total cost: € 9.39 or US$ 12.58 (or if you want full original in tact packaging thereby increasing the postage cost for the 101-250 gram shipping tariff: € 12.09 or US$ 16.20).
I went to the shop this afternoon and bought a few brand new ones, in case nobody is interested I can always return them. PM me with your shipping address if you want one.
02-10-2013, 03:14 PM
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Here's a pic I found from a few years ago of a 928 I don't have any more (it has a sunroof).
It was the cheapest 2 gallon sprayer they had at my local home depot-equivalent - its never had anything other than diff oil in it. I just fill with 4.5L, pump it up and then leave it along with a small catch-can to get the drips once its full.
I recommend picking one that has a fairly large ID hose on it - to speed up the time taken. Mine is maybe a 3mm ID hose, and it takes almost an hour to fill a manual transmission - which isn't an issue for me as I'm not billing or delivering to a timescale.
It was the cheapest 2 gallon sprayer they had at my local home depot-equivalent - its never had anything other than diff oil in it. I just fill with 4.5L, pump it up and then leave it along with a small catch-can to get the drips once its full.
I recommend picking one that has a fairly large ID hose on it - to speed up the time taken. Mine is maybe a 3mm ID hose, and it takes almost an hour to fill a manual transmission - which isn't an issue for me as I'm not billing or delivering to a timescale.
02-16-2013, 11:09 PM
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Factory tool to fill trans
I have a factory tool to fill the trans that everyone seems to be hunting for. Email me at wrenchit@yahoo.com and I'll send you a photo of it and if you want it I'll sell it to you.. You just can't get this factory tool any more. In subject line mention factory tool.
02-23-2013, 05:19 PM
#56
Somebody sent us a present.
Thanks guys, looking forward to trying this one.
Thanks guys, looking forward to trying this one.
02-24-2013, 05:54 PM
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Update from my earlier post #53:
Another Rennlister from U.S.A. confirmed to me that this 12mm standard quick connector fits, so the last unknown factor - as Erkka and myself only tested it on Erkka's ROW 1992 GTS thus far - has now been turned into a known one: great!
From the initial newly bought dozen (which included several we used for our initial testing) I now have one (1) free unallocated left over. Of course plenty more new ones can be obtained from the shop chain here in Finland, when so needed.
I have to adjust the pricing a tiny bit just so to cover my cost (I am not in this for a cent of profit, however I do not need to subsidize this either ), as I forgot that even on such tiny amounts PayPal does still subtract a fee + I ran out of padded envelopes (costing € 0.50 or US$ 0.67 each).
So, total cost: US$ 14.15 for one shipped without the original external plastic packaging (for minimum postage cost), or if you want full original in tact packaging thereby increasing the postage cost for the 101-250 gram shipping tariff: US$ 18.00
Another Rennlister from U.S.A. confirmed to me that this 12mm standard quick connector fits, so the last unknown factor - as Erkka and myself only tested it on Erkka's ROW 1992 GTS thus far - has now been turned into a known one: great!
From the initial newly bought dozen (which included several we used for our initial testing) I now have one (1) free unallocated left over. Of course plenty more new ones can be obtained from the shop chain here in Finland, when so needed.
I have to adjust the pricing a tiny bit just so to cover my cost (I am not in this for a cent of profit, however I do not need to subsidize this either ), as I forgot that even on such tiny amounts PayPal does still subtract a fee + I ran out of padded envelopes (costing € 0.50 or US$ 0.67 each).
So, total cost: US$ 14.15 for one shipped without the original external plastic packaging (for minimum postage cost), or if you want full original in tact packaging thereby increasing the postage cost for the 101-250 gram shipping tariff: US$ 18.00
03-06-2013, 09:15 AM
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Thanks Rob, for posting about those (2) European providers of the exact item - good finds.
In the meantime, please see underneath a picture of a 6mm and 12mm standard quick connector as used for compressed air or hydraulic lines in Europe - as I bought in a local Finnish DIY store (only a few €/$ each).
As I am currently hugely swamped with work, it will only be earliest upcoming weekend that I can check if that fits or not...
Attachment 700897
In the meantime, please see underneath a picture of a 6mm and 12mm standard quick connector as used for compressed air or hydraulic lines in Europe - as I bought in a local Finnish DIY store (only a few €/$ each).
As I am currently hugely swamped with work, it will only be earliest upcoming weekend that I can check if that fits or not...
Attachment 700897
There are different types of these fittings. Most are made for air (pneumatic), some are made for fluids (hydraulic). The ones for air usually have built in meshing to prevent debris getting into the line. These might be restrictive if used for filling the trans with ATF. The ones for fluids are free flowing.
03-06-2013, 11:42 AM
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Just a heads up.
There are different types of these fittings. Most are made for air (pneumatic), some are made for fluids (hydraulic). The ones for air usually have built in meshing to prevent debris getting into the line. These might be restrictive if used for filling the trans with ATF. The ones for fluids are free flowing.
There are different types of these fittings. Most are made for air (pneumatic), some are made for fluids (hydraulic). The ones for air usually have built in meshing to prevent debris getting into the line. These might be restrictive if used for filling the trans with ATF. The ones for fluids are free flowing.
Valid point and I did checked with my water test as per my earlier post #49 that it is flowing absolutely fine.
ATF is of course not water in viscosity, and as I know that one (1) Rennlister is going to use filling up/topping up his AT with this in the days to come (if not already done now): I hope of some further posting of his findings on this topic in this thread.
I will do my own AT flushing and refilling with these tools most likely during April (given the list of maintenance items I plan to do, like: TB & WTP + all other belts, new Bilstein shocks all around, new motor mounts, new fuel lines, and several other smaller jobs).