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Old 02-19-2013, 03:38 PM
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What is a precombuation chamber?
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We here in the PacNW get lots of moisture as you can imagine...even an engine stored inside but in an unheated space will have condensation build up ...could have built up inside the bores..corroding the valves..
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Originally Posted by Imo000
What is a precombuation chamber?
The little chamber that the fuel gets injected into to initiate the ignition. It provides a more complete and even burn:

Diesel Indirect Injection from Wikipedia
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Originally Posted by tveltman
The little chamber that the fuel gets injected into to initiate the ignition. It provides a more complete and even burn:

Diesel Indirect Injection from Wikipedia
Ok but that's for diesels not gasoline engines.
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Originally Posted by Imo000
Ok but that's for diesels not gasoline engines.
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Condensation or leaked water into an inlet duct could sit on a closed valve, and rust it onto the seat, and first opening of that valve....
Were both bad seats on inlets? Check the back of the valve and the seats for corrosion, but it may have been hammered right out.

My car sat for a while, but I think much less than these cases, and in the centre of Saudi Arabia, and its pretty quiet running still.

Edit: - yes, both inlets , looking at the size relative to the OK valve.
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What is an OK valve??
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The OTHER visible valve that seems to be correctly seated - looks 'OK' . Is that clearer?
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Originally Posted by S4ordie
Seems way too coincidental. Did you find anything in the cylinders or the pans to suggest a foreign object?

My, at present, pessimistic mind thinks sabotage.

Originally Posted by Kiln_Red
It's kind of hard to imagine any other possibility. Two failures exactly alike? Even one engine failing this way is insane. But two?
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There is a lot of sodium in that there part of town. It will be in the air,water and your lungs. I know for a fact that wood pellets that are manufactured down there on the waterfront are known to eat pellet stove burn pots up.
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Originally Posted by supercedar
There is a lot of sodium in that there part of town. It will be in the air,water and your lungs. I know for a fact that wood pellets that are manufactured down there on the waterfront are known to eat pellet stove burn pots up.
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Tough to imagine enough rust forming that would rust a valve to a valve seat enough to have the valve pull the seat out of the head....and still have the pistons move in the bores.

I think this is all about heat, but some pictures of the head gaskets and that port with the valve removed might tell more.

That one "fire ring" area on the cylinder head that dropped the valve seat is getting pretty darn thin, from coolant attacking that surface.
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Originally Posted by Imo000
What is an OK valve??
Better than not ok.

I asked that out loud, that's what my kid said...so...
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Hey, aren't our valves stainless steel?
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Originally Posted by atb
Hey, aren't our valves stainless steel?
Not good enough, for the Germans.

Those original valves are pretty high tech.

Note that the exhaust valves are two pieces and the heads are not magnetic....and it isn't stainless.
Old 02-19-2013, 11:15 PM
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Not sure about stainless, but one part of the valve is magnetic and one is not, the stem is friction welded to the fluted part. No idea what alloys they _really_ are.


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