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Old 01-24-2007, 10:53 AM
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Just want to know your guys opinion on how much hp a 2.5L 951 with the following mods should be doing

- Vitesse Stage III turbo Kit w. fuel management/MAF etc...
- Lindsey 4" full exhaust
- lindsey Wastegate
- Custom Head Port w/ racing springs and 5 angle valve job
- Matched Ported Stock Intake
- Lindsey fuel rail & Pump
- SFR Stage I header
- SPEC Clutch
- Raceware studs (low and high)
- AFR = 12
- 21 psi boost
Old 01-24-2007, 11:00 AM
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350whp
Old 01-24-2007, 11:04 AM
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Let me make a wild guess based on your write-up:

Not as much as you thought it would do...?? Like 330 rwhp?
Old 01-24-2007, 11:04 AM
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At 21psi? 400
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I have some other internal and external mods you don't have but it's pretty close to the same stuff. I hit 360 HP at the rear wheels running 18 psi of boost and still have a miss that I can't figure out, so there is still room for improvement. You should easily get my numbers at 21.
Old 01-24-2007, 11:34 AM
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Sounds like Juancho's car
Old 01-24-2007, 12:10 PM
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My car made in the range of 300 rwhp at 15 psi with a Vitesse Stage III, SFR Exhaust, Stock Head. I believe John says to expect 13 rwhp per each psi of boost over that which should put you in the 350-375 rwhp range. Just a guess.
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400whp +/-

From someone who owned that turbo.

Here is a chart from me, except I had a crank trigger miss that day which caused us to call it quits on the dyno (my own stupid fault).


That was 20psi(?) if I recall correctly. Less intake/head mods than you, but MAP/Tec3R instead of MAF.
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Originally Posted by MPD47
400whp +/- From someone who owned that turbo. That was 20psi(?) or 19, I cant remember.
So Mike, were your mods the same as is - apples to apples? Or no. And man, you guys kill me with scanning these dyno charts, I can't see crap. It's dark, no RPM to see, and no A/F plots too. Then again pal I can't blame, for this is pretty much the norm around here somtimes, no offense pal.

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If i recall, ST pushed out just a tad over 400whp at 25psi (race timing + xyline) on a bone stock engine. With you're uprades (exhaust + head) you should be pushing in that ball park with the same ignition/fuel and 21psi boost or so.

*just thinking out loud*
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I never scanned it as it was a crap chart. When I have a CLEAN chart, I'll scan one with all the info.

As for mods, it was
Lindsey Rail Kit - 72# Hour injectors
Vitesse Stage III
Tec3R - MAP Sensor - Coil packs
Lindsey 3"
Spec clutch
Lindsey Stage V

Everything else was stock IIRC. So he has a bigger exhaust, worked head/intake over what I had. But I was running different management/spark.

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Isn't the AFR of 12.0 a bit rich?
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Originally Posted by hosrom_951
If i recall, ST pushed out just a tad over 400whp at 25psi (race timing + xyline) on a bone stock engine. With you're uprades (exhaust + head) you should be pushing in that ball park with the same ignition/fuel and 21psi boost or so.

*just thinking out loud*
With a k26/6? That sounds wildly optimistic, IMO.

You might get 25 psi with a k26/6 (IIRC Laust Pedersen did this to test out some water injection stuff a while ago) but at that point the turbo is so totally inefficient and is making so much heat it's probably a detriment rather than a benefit.
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Jeff, no, stock engine other than Turbo/managment/MAF/injectors is what he means.
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Jeff, as Mike pointed out, i missed out on something....

A VR Stage 3 Kit on a bone stock engine (stock internal block/head/valves, exhaust system + headers).

For obvious reasons, the injectors were not stock (72lbs at that time i believe).


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