Not a troll post! ITR vs 951 Turbo S (both stock)

951_RS · 11-06-2009, 11:10 PM

I was on another forum talking about an Integra Type R (DC2 chassis) and I stated that I feel, while the Type R is a great car for being fwd, that the price due to it being a bit rare is quite steep for what you get.
When I thought about other cars that would compare for the same price I felt even a Turbo S, stock vs stock, would be a better choice than the Type R. This is not about longevity or dependability as I'd go with the Honda hands down on that.

Anyone have experience on the track with both cars, whether it be actually driving both or just running against one?

Another car I thought about would be a good momentum set up Miata.

Let's please not trash talk the Honda for being a Honda, it is a pretty impressive fwd without a doubt. Also, I do realize it was released in America as an Acura but that's neither here nor there.

Anyways, I base this assumption on the much greater power the 951 S has over the ITR, plus the Brembos, 50/50 distribution, and being RWD.
I know the ITR is a good bit lighter, but I think that the power deficit is enough to cause the 951 S to be much faster on the straights and be able to hold it's own through the corners easily enough as well.

Techno Duck · 11-06-2009, 11:24 PM

Great car, great engine and huge aftermarket. The Type R goes for a huge premium, your better off with a GS-R. My friend has one and it's fun to drive, he ended put adding a turbo which in my opinion was a huge mistake. It was a very fun car, lightweight and high rev. In my opinion does not have the character of a 951 or 944 for that matter, but that is a moot point for some.

The only fear i would have with a Type R is the car being stolen. My friend lives in a not so great area and was woken up to 3 guys attempting to tow the car out of his driveway.

951_RS · 11-06-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Techno Duck

Great car, great engine and huge aftermarket. The Type R goes for a huge premium, your better off with a GS-R. My friend has one and it's fun to drive, he ended put adding a turbo which in my opinion was a huge mistake.

The only fear i would have with a Type R is the car being stolen. My friend lives in a not so great area and was woken up to 3 guys attempting to tow the car out of his driveway.

Yeah, unfortunately Honda's are extremely prone to being stolen. The GS-R is also very nice but almost the whole chassis is different from the ITR.
Different sway bars, LCA's, 5 lug with bigger brakes compared to the 4 lug a GS-R has, no sun roof, and reinforced sub-frame. This is just what was told to me anyhow, I haven't researched it myself.

CarbonRevo · 11-07-2009, 01:40 AM

What's the power output of an ITR? I'm betting a H22 swapped ITR (a cardinal sin?) would make it a lop sided argument (meaning ITR being the better pick). Then again we aren't comparing stock vs. Stock.

I mention the H22 as this motor in a light car is an animal. My 240whp 951 had a hard time getting away from a 170whp H22 swapped EG Hatch. The car had a 70whp disadvantage, but 900lbs made that up nicely. That car was balls to the wall scary. Felt really raw. As if riding in a tin can. However, my 951 was much more refined and smoother pulling (of course). Still interesting race. It would fall maybe a car and a half back at 140mph.

Only thing keeping me from one is the car is FWD. FWD = sucks!

gt37vgt · 11-07-2009, 02:40 AM

i think for street and mountains stock V stock the honda it parks easy runs cheap i think if you see the track even twice a year the 951 with small mods so exhuast chip perhaps Maf .
good coil overs for the honda are half the price .

INURGRL951 · 11-07-2009, 03:26 AM

Well I can't give a nice answer to this because I have hated honda's since some young fella told me porsche wasa washed up thing of a car and the honda hatch is the "new" super sports car !!! On the reliability note I got a 944 I had since high school still has NEVER left me anywhere other then a flat tire or ran out of gas. I would rather ride a lawn mower then drive a honda!

ParkerFya · 11-07-2009, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by INURGRL951

I would rather ride a lawn mower then drive a honda!

LOL That just made my day

Euro951 · 11-07-2009, 07:00 AM

My old first gen Miata with coilovers and REO1r Bridgestone's consistantly beat a "prepped ITR" on an autox course. Being that ITR's are worth so much money I would pick up either a 944 turbo or a first gen miata over the ITR. If you get bored with the Miata or 944 you can always swap in a LS1

Chris White · 11-07-2009, 08:15 AM

If you really want to play with FWD stuff try out a Cooper S....

951_RS · 11-07-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris White

If you really want to play with FWD stuff try out a Cooper S....

Yeah, I've heard many good things about those. Even the new cobalt ss is a phenomenal car on the track apparently.

CarbonRevo: The ITR comes with about 190 crank hp stock, H22 is around 220 hp or so if I recall correctly. The ITR though is about 2700 lbs so the weight difference wouldn't be quite as much as what you raced =]

xsboost90 · 11-07-2009, 09:40 AM

its still wrong wheel drive.

CameronKame · 11-07-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by xsboost90

its still wrong wheel drive.

+1

95ONE · 11-07-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 951_RS

Yeah, I've heard many good things about those. Even the new cobalt ss is a phenomenal car on the track apparently.

CarbonRevo: The ITR comes with about 190 crank hp stock, H22 is around 220 hp or so if I recall correctly. The ITR though is about 2700 lbs so the weight difference wouldn't be quite as much as what you raced =]

The H22 makes 190 Crank hp. It just makes a good bit of power when modded and more torque. Used to be Honda's BIG motor.. lol. I had a prelude and went through a lot of H22's. I supercharged one. I loved it.. Great engine.

jasonlp · 11-07-2009, 01:41 PM

Japan Spec ITR

Brothers and their cars

sebastian944 · 11-07-2009, 02:17 PM

i've always had a heart for the latest Honda Prelude. It's good looking and it's pretty refined. They should bring the car back.

11-06-2009, 11:10 PM	#1
951_RS Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 592	Not a troll post! ITR vs 951 Turbo S (both stock) I was on another forum talking about an Integra Type R (DC2 chassis) and I stated that I feel, while the Type R is a great car for being fwd, that the price due to it being a bit rare is quite steep for what you get. When I thought about other cars that would compare for the same price I felt even a Turbo S, stock vs stock, would be a better choice than the Type R. This is not about longevity or dependability as I'd go with the Honda hands down on that. Anyone have experience on the track with both cars, whether it be actually driving both or just running against one? Another car I thought about would be a good momentum set up Miata. Let's please not trash talk the Honda for being a Honda, it is a pretty impressive fwd without a doubt. Also, I do realize it was released in America as an Acura but that's neither here nor there. Anyways, I base this assumption on the much greater power the 951 S has over the ITR, plus the Brembos, 50/50 distribution, and being RWD. I know the ITR is a good bit lighter, but I think that the power deficit is enough to cause the 951 S to be much faster on the straights and be able to hold it's own through the corners easily enough as well. __________________ -Drew 1986 951 - T04e 2006 MKV GTi - APR K04 kit 2002 A4 3.0q - Wife's (stock)

11-06-2009, 11:24 PM	#2
Techno Duck Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: LI, NY Posts: 8,191	Great car, great engine and huge aftermarket. The Type R goes for a huge premium, your better off with a GS-R. My friend has one and it's fun to drive, he ended put adding a turbo which in my opinion was a huge mistake. It was a very fun car, lightweight and high rev. In my opinion does not have the character of a 951 or 944 for that matter, but that is a moot point for some. The only fear i would have with a Type R is the car being stolen. My friend lives in a not so great area and was woken up to 3 guys attempting to tow the car out of his driveway. __________________ Jon - MetroNY PCA #848 'Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.' - James Dean '87 Zermatt Silver 924S -- "The Kraut Burner" -- Sold Nov. '04 '87 Guards Red 944 -- "The Bratwurst Burner" -- Low and Slow - Sold Jan. '08 '88 Guards Red 944 Turbo -- "Das Boost" -- DE, Auto-X

11-07-2009, 01:40 AM	#4
CarbonRevo Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,152	What's the power output of an ITR? I'm betting a H22 swapped ITR (a cardinal sin?) would make it a lop sided argument (meaning ITR being the better pick). Then again we aren't comparing stock vs. Stock. I mention the H22 as this motor in a light car is an animal. My 240whp 951 had a hard time getting away from a 170whp H22 swapped EG Hatch. The car had a 70whp disadvantage, but 900lbs made that up nicely. That car was balls to the wall scary. Felt really raw. As if riding in a tin can. However, my 951 was much more refined and smoother pulling (of course). Still interesting race. It would fall maybe a car and a half back at 140mph. Only thing keeping me from one is the car is FWD. FWD = sucks! __________________ Cory '91 944 S2 - Christine - Making a return in February 2010! '87 944 Turbo - Jenna - Full Vitesse Stage 3R '92 Toyota Pickup - Low and Slow

11-07-2009, 02:40 AM	#5
gt37vgt Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Melbourne Posts: 2,653	i think for street and mountains stock V stock the honda it parks easy runs cheap i think if you see the track even twice a year the 951 with small mods so exhuast chip perhaps Maf . good coil overs for the honda are half the price . __________________ "Its the incompetent that make it hard for the other 10%"

11-07-2009, 03:26 AM	#6
INURGRL951 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: out in the sticks and flat lands of va wondering around for an open field or pavement!!! Posts: 1,173	Well I can't give a nice answer to this because I have hated honda's since some young fella told me porsche wasa washed up thing of a car and the honda hatch is the "new" super sports car !!! On the reliability note I got a 944 I had since high school still has NEVER left me anywhere other then a flat tire or ran out of gas. I would rather ride a lawn mower then drive a honda! __________________ Costas Georgiou A few porsche's most of you will see one day but till then <---"Playboy"

11-07-2009, 07:00 AM	#8
Euro951 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Woodbury NJ Posts: 191	My old first gen Miata with coilovers and REO1r Bridgestone's consistantly beat a "prepped ITR" on an autox course. Being that ITR's are worth so much money I would pick up either a 944 turbo or a first gen miata over the ITR. If you get bored with the Miata or 944 you can always swap in a LS1

11-07-2009, 08:15 AM	#9
Chris White Addict Rennlist Member Rennlist Small Business Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Marietta, NY Posts: 4,375	If you really want to play with FWD stuff try out a Cooper S.... __________________ PCA Instructor BMW CCA Instructor PCA Tech Inspector 86 951 GT3 Track Car (2.6L 16v turbo) (still under construction!) 87 951 'fun' Track Car (3.1L 16v turbo) 87 951 'spare' Track car 86 951 Street Car (2.75 8v turbo) 94 968 Cab - replaced S2 Cab 00 Audi S4 - winter car 07 Dodge Full sized Tool 65 Shelby GT-350 - track rat from 1980's 66 Mustang convertible - finish restoration some day..... 02 Mini Cooper S 85 Barth - 8.2 turbo

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11-07-2009, 02:17 PM	#15
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