Air suspension?

bennyboy · 11-19-2009, 08:49 AM

Alright guys, don't throw the book at me just yet! I'm thinking about doing a veedub-style '44 some time in the future. Not to my current fast-road/track car, but to a very original and mint condition car in the next couple of years. You know the style I mean right? BBS 3-piece split rims and very, very low, smoothed bodywork (side trims, rear bumper trim, door locks etc...) and perhaps a single wiper? A lot of those guys run air suspension and I see you can get it for a 951 in the states. Do you of you have any experience of this?

gt37vgt · 11-19-2009, 09:37 AM

air or gas suspension is sort of like carbon fibre try do it cheap and everyone is laughing at you .
do it expensive do it well and every one just scratches there head and say's WTF !! WOW ??!?!?
current F1 cars have done away with springs and run on pressured nitrogen with an ultra advanced coplex matix of clever valves pumps and resivoirs and vales .
I have never seen an effective set up on a track car but with a little reserch it may be good on a street car

Olli Snellman · 11-19-2009, 09:37 AM

I have played with the idea of Techart style air system which helps you to go over high pumps. Do you have a URL to the system which fits under 951?

bennyboy · 11-19-2009, 06:21 PM

I just did a google search and came up with the following...

http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com/Por...spension-Kits/

http://www.yourhotcar.com/product/li...s/Porsche/944/

Olli Snellman · 11-20-2009, 04:20 AM

Those "kits" look more one-size-fits-all thing, not a true 944 setup. I was thinking more a solution like Techart's Noselift system.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/T...-on_682237.htm
http://www.techart.de/fileadmin/cont...T_Noselift.pdf

Wishmaster · 11-20-2009, 04:56 AM

You can find a hydraulic system here:

http://us.kwsuspension.de/us/kw_hls.php

You only need a coilover suspension

Olli Snellman · 11-20-2009, 05:06 AM

That's what i am looking for. Seeing how they have done it, makes me wonder how difficult it would be to produce such a kit for 951's. Have to talk to my CNC man

Wishmaster · 11-20-2009, 05:32 AM

You can buy a kit for the 951 it cost 2500 Euro. With a KW V3 Suspension you haven't modify anything.

bennyboy · 11-20-2009, 06:53 AM

Aahah! That looks like it'll do the job. I'll be requiring front and rear axle lift though, which I assume this system might struggle with on a torsion bar set-up. I believe there are systems available for other torsion bar cars that effectively 'twist' the bars to achieve the up and down movement?

Olli Snellman · 11-20-2009, 07:58 AM

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You can buy a kit for the 951 it cost 2500 Euro. With a KW V3 Suspension you haven't modify anything

Somehow i have get used to have parts more cost effective way. 2500€ is way over my budjet. Most likely we can produce such a kit about 750-1000€ quite easily, especially if use air spring components. I suppose i have to see my friend who owns a hot rod shop and deals with air springs all the time.... http://www.herstiautoshop.com

What comes to rear torsion bars, just check out what happens when you lift your cars rear end. I suppose there will not be any issues.

bennyboy · 11-20-2009, 10:24 AM

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What comes to rear torsion bars, just check out what happens when you lift your cars rear end. I suppose there will not be any issues.

Not sure what you mean Olli? What I want really, is a system that allows me to run a low ride height for fast-road driving, and a really-low ride height for when the car is stationary at shows etc... by which I mean undrivably low!

333pg333 · 11-21-2009, 03:46 AM

Here you go Benny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFUiEAPOqBI

purple_rado · 11-21-2009, 11:34 AM

contact scott mason of mason tech, he'll get your organized or tell you what direction you need to go in order to do an air kit on a 44. i've been thinking of doing the same if i had the means. nice and low with 18inch bbs rs set dead flush with the fenders. yes please.

eniac · 11-21-2009, 12:20 PM

The air springs were great on my Range Rover. I'd go the the sand dunes and hit a button for an instant soft 4" lift. After a day of playing on the dunes I'd simply get back on the highway and the system automatically lowered down into highway mode which dropped it 1.5" lower than normal and stiffened up the suspension. Personally, I'd leave the air-ride to the trucks and not Porsches.

11-19-2009, 08:49 AM	#1
bennyboy User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lincolnshire, UK Posts: 62	Air suspension? Alright guys, don't throw the book at me just yet! I'm thinking about doing a veedub-style '44 some time in the future. Not to my current fast-road/track car, but to a very original and mint condition car in the next couple of years. You know the style I mean right? BBS 3-piece split rims and very, very low, smoothed bodywork (side trims, rear bumper trim, door locks etc...) and perhaps a single wiper? A lot of those guys run air suspension and I see you can get it for a 951 in the states. Do you of you have any experience of this?

11-19-2009, 09:37 AM	#2
gt37vgt Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Melbourne Posts: 2,486	air or gas suspension is sort of like carbon fibre try do it cheap and everyone is laughing at you . do it expensive do it well and every one just scratches there head and say's WTF !! WOW ??!?!? current F1 cars have done away with springs and run on pressured nitrogen with an ultra advanced coplex matix of clever valves pumps and resivoirs and vales . I have never seen an effective set up on a track car but with a little reserch it may be good on a street car __________________ "Its the incompetent that make it hard for the other 10%"

11-20-2009, 05:06 AM	#7
Olli Snellman Super User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 3,434	That's what i am looking for. Seeing how they have done it, makes me wonder how difficult it would be to produce such a kit for 951's. Have to talk to my CNC man Last edited by Olli Snellman; 11-20-2009 at 08:00 AM.

11-21-2009, 12:20 PM	#14
eniac Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,932	The air springs were great on my Range Rover. I'd go the the sand dunes and hit a button for an instant soft 4" lift. After a day of playing on the dunes I'd simply get back on the highway and the system automatically lowered down into highway mode which dropped it 1.5" lower than normal and stiffened up the suspension. Personally, I'd leave the air-ride to the trucks and not Porsches. __________________ ~Stephen Autocore autocore@gmail.com AIM: Eniac325ix '88 951 White - MAP, AVC-R, big turbo, 86lb/hr injectors, small 130 amp Nissan alternator, Cobra Misano's, cold r134 A/C, 30psi with 35 psi scatter boost, E85(Looking for a decently priced 4" exhaust). NO BELT COVERS! '72 914 - 100% stock w/ Jetronic D fuel injection. 2009 Human Girl - Ophelia - Born Aug 14 at 11:57am. 7lb 7oz. OMG! Ima daddy!!!

11-19-2009, 06:21 PM	#4
bennyboy User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lincolnshire, UK Posts: 62	I just did a google search and came up with the following... http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com/Por...spension-Kits/ http://www.yourhotcar.com/product/li...s/Porsche/944/

11-20-2009, 04:20 AM	#5
Olli Snellman Super User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 3,434	Those "kits" look more one-size-fits-all thing, not a true 944 setup. I was thinking more a solution like Techart's Noselift system. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/T...-on_682237.htm http://www.techart.de/fileadmin/cont...T_Noselift.pdf

11-20-2009, 04:56 AM	#6
Wishmaster User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Near Stuttgart / Germania Posts: 13	You can find a hydraulic system here: http://us.kwsuspension.de/us/kw_hls.php You only need a coilover suspension

11-20-2009, 05:32 AM	#8
Wishmaster User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Near Stuttgart / Germania Posts: 13	You can buy a kit for the 951 it cost 2500 Euro. With a KW V3 Suspension you haven't modify anything.

11-20-2009, 06:53 AM	#9
bennyboy User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lincolnshire, UK Posts: 62	Aahah! That looks like it'll do the job. I'll be requiring front and rear axle lift though, which I assume this system might struggle with on a torsion bar set-up. I believe there are systems available for other torsion bar cars that effectively 'twist' the bars to achieve the up and down movement?

11-21-2009, 11:34 AM	#13
purple_rado User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: hilliard, oh Posts: 382	contact scott mason of mason tech, he'll get your organized or tell you what direction you need to go in order to do an air kit on a 44. i've been thinking of doing the same if i had the means. nice and low with 18inch bbs rs set dead flush with the fenders. yes please.