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Old 12-08-2014, 08:48 PM
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Curious, what city MPG are you guys with force induction 3L+ seeing?

My Air/Fuel ratios haven't changed any, but MPGs are half what they used to be. No changes have been made.

What are the things I should look into that could cause this? Bad wideband 02 sensor?

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Old 12-09-2014, 02:45 AM
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how do you drive it. Do you daily it? check your o2. check your cat - power feel the same?
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Air leak? Doesn't take much to throw A/F ratios way off.

Worth doing a plug chop?

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Biggest mileage factor in ANY maintained Car is Tire Air Pressure, and the Tire construction in general. After that I'd look to Wheel Bearing health.
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Originally Posted by Paulyy
how do you drive it. Do you daily it? check your o2. check your cat - power feel the same?
I do daily it. The car doesn't have a cat. The power doesn't feel any different.

Next step may be switching out the o2 sensor to see if that changes things. The A/F ratios haven't changed any, is that because the computer is interpreting more air from a leak, or bad o2 sensor and making the adjustments(dumping more fuel) and displaying normal A/F ratios?
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Originally Posted by mikey_audiogeek
Air leak? Doesn't take much to throw A/F ratios way off.

Worth doing a plug chop?

Cheers,
Mike
I will pressure test the intake and see I find any leaks.
I've never done a true plug chop, but the plugs have around 2,000 miles on them.
Here is how they all look....


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Originally Posted by Ronin-951
Biggest mileage factor in ANY maintained Car is Tire Air Pressure, and the Tire construction in general. After that I'd look to Wheel Bearing health.
Ok... so 10 mins ago may have been the dumbest I've felt when it comes to working on my cars.

I'll explain...

I read your suggestion about the tire pressure and thought to myself,
"Sure, why not. I'm open to all suggestions. Truth be told, it was warmer outside last time I checked them"

Well, I grab the gauge and the results? .... 17 and 18 psi in the fronts, and 22 and 23 psi in the rears.

Soooo, yeaaaaaa let this be a free lesson to all...
The temperature's dropping out there, it's a good idea to check your tire pressure! They are probably low.

I do wonder though if this is still just part of the issue and not the whole problem as I wish it were.

If I was previously seeing ~16-17mpg city, would my low tire pressure drop it as low as ~8mpg?
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Locking gas cap?
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Originally Posted by mikey_audiogeek
Locking gas cap?
Yes it has a locking style gas cap, but the PO never had the key cylinder in it. So currently a non-locking...locking style gas cap.

The more I look into it, the more it directs me to the wideband O2 needing to be replaced.

As far as the history on the sensor goes, It's the same one that was on the car when I bought it in March 2012.
Since then I rebuilt the engine in June 2013 and have been using high ZDDP oil since. Used Joe Gibbs break-in oil and then been using Brad Penn as the routine oil.



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