Carbon Fiber Firewall/Electric Circuit Control Box

Robert Linton · 12-11-2003, 11:42 PM

Although not a very good picture, below is the first shot of this new part.

robmug · 12-12-2003, 03:25 AM

Nice one Robert.

Are there any bits of your car that will not be carbon fibre? I guess the weight will be substantially lower than standard?

Are you planning to produce and sell these parts that you'r making, or are they all one-off pieces?

Robert Linton · 12-12-2003, 07:45 AM

There are pieces of the car that are not not carbon fiber or another alternative material such as aluminum, plastic or titanium. The exercise was not merely to replace steel components with carbon fiber or other materials just for the sake of doing so but to do those items that involved actual engineering and/or redesign (the doors, for example, for a quality producer of carbon fiber parts -- which, sadly, I have discovered are but very few and very far between -- were not done because they were not deemed to be anything out of the ordinary). Having said this, approximately 450 kg (992 pounds) have been removed from the weight of the vehicle and every part has been an improvement over the original. As to production, some of the technology used in this endeavor is about to be used for current vehicles and other items are in testing. As to applicability for older cars (in this instance, Type 964 and Type 993 Porsches), there are on-going discussions about this.

Jeff Curtis · 12-12-2003, 09:48 AM

Ni-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-ice!!

...and almost 1000lbs lighter! OMG!!

Robert Linton · 12-12-2003, 10:42 AM

But more than merely lighter, better in every way.

robmug · 12-12-2003, 10:46 AM

Wow. Have you got any pictures of the car? (before, during, after etc)?

Cupcar#12 · 12-13-2003, 02:12 PM

is the wiring harness in?

Robert Linton · 12-13-2003, 07:29 PM

Rob:

Over the past year I have been posting pictures although, frankly, there has been more interest on other boards. Should you wish, I would be happy to repost a few.

In the interim, four pictures of the carbon fiber/titanium swing arm with brake system and CV cooling, titanium centerlock system, carbon ceramic brake disks with aluminum bells with titanium mountings.

Rob:

Wiring should be done by Tuesday -- 42+ pounds gone and counting. The final step has been to replace my beloved Porsche Pocket Commander with a built in Sony Ericsson P900 -- the electrical engineers continue to refer to the former as belonging to Fred F. rather than Ferry P.

Lastly, the new stereo weighs less than 15 pounds -- 3.7 less than that in the McLaren F1 Road Car -- and this system includes a radio.

robmug · 12-14-2003, 01:14 PM

Robert - fantastic stuff - please do post more photos...and a list of all the parts you have done & plan to do.

Is this your job or hobby? What kind of facilities and equipment is needed to do this?

Cupcar#12 · 12-14-2003, 10:48 PM

wish i would have seen it - well time marches on and electronics get superseeded.

and a Smart Phone (Moto MxP200) would make a good alternative as well (usuable WW)

Robert Linton · 12-14-2003, 11:05 PM

With luck the Sony Ericsson P900 will be installed in the center console tomorrow.

12-12-2003, 03:25 AM	#2
robmug Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,480	Nice one Robert. Are there any bits of your car that will not be carbon fibre? I guess the weight will be substantially lower than standard? Are you planning to produce and sell these parts that you'r making, or are they all one-off pieces? __________________ Rob Mugglestone '04 CSL Silver Grey EX: '04 GT3 Clubsport, Slate Grey EX: '93 964 C2 Coupe, Midnight Blue EX: '91 964 C2 Cabriolet Slate Grey EX: '89 964 C4 Coupe Cyclamen Red __________________ "Rome wasn't built in a day; but bits of it were "

12-12-2003, 09:48 AM	#4
Jeff Curtis Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. Posts: 3,522	Ni-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-ice!! ...and almost 1000lbs lighter! OMG!! __________________ Jeff Curtis My "Track Rockets": 2006 Cayman S - PCA-H/NASA GTS3 Other "Toys": 2003 F-250 PSD - "Tow Pig" 2008 HD Rocker-C - "Corporate Cookie-Cutter" Chopper Past Rockets: 1991 964 C2 - PCA H Prepared/NASA GTS3 1996 SVC Toyota WSR 2004 HD Softail Deuce - "Da Hammah" 2006 Goped GSR-40 -MODIFIED- "Wheelie Master" 1982 911SC - First "Track Car" "Someday, I will find peace amongst chaos...for now, I'll take the insanity plea." - JSC 2004

12-12-2003, 10:46 AM	#6
robmug Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,480	Wow. Have you got any pictures of the car? (before, during, after etc)? __________________ Rob Mugglestone '04 CSL Silver Grey EX: '04 GT3 Clubsport, Slate Grey EX: '93 964 C2 Coupe, Midnight Blue EX: '91 964 C2 Cabriolet Slate Grey EX: '89 964 C4 Coupe Cyclamen Red __________________ "Rome wasn't built in a day; but bits of it were "

12-13-2003, 02:12 PM	#7
Cupcar#12 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Apex, NC Posts: 2,395	is the wiring harness in? __________________ Rob PCA Carrera Cup USA Registry www.carreracupusa.org 59' 356A Coupe -A garage bay hole- 08' LR3 Se 95' Defender 90 -all current- 69' 912, 65' 356c, 90' 964 cab GP/Blue, 70' 911e, 69' 911s, 69 911e/s, 01' 986, 99' 996 Aero, 92' Carrera Cup USA Edition #92012

12-13-2003, 07:29 PM	#8
Robert Linton Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,821	Rob: Over the past year I have been posting pictures although, frankly, there has been more interest on other boards. Should you wish, I would be happy to repost a few. In the interim, four pictures of the carbon fiber/titanium swing arm with brake system and CV cooling, titanium centerlock system, carbon ceramic brake disks with aluminum bells with titanium mountings. Rob: Wiring should be done by Tuesday -- 42+ pounds gone and counting. The final step has been to replace my beloved Porsche Pocket Commander with a built in Sony Ericsson P900 -- the electrical engineers continue to refer to the former as belonging to Fred F. rather than Ferry P. Lastly, the new stereo weighs less than 15 pounds -- 3.7 less than that in the McLaren F1 Road Car -- and this system includes a radio. Last edited by Robert Linton; 12-13-2003 at 08:28 PM.

12-11-2003, 11:42 PM	#1
Robert Linton Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,821	Carbon Fiber Firewall/Electric Circuit Control Box And Other Pictures Although not a very good picture, below is the first shot of this new part. Last edited by Robert Linton; 12-13-2003 at 08:28 PM.

12-12-2003, 07:45 AM	#3
Robert Linton Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,821	There are pieces of the car that are not not carbon fiber or another alternative material such as aluminum, plastic or titanium. The exercise was not merely to replace steel components with carbon fiber or other materials just for the sake of doing so but to do those items that involved actual engineering and/or redesign (the doors, for example, for a quality producer of carbon fiber parts -- which, sadly, I have discovered are but very few and very far between -- were not done because they were not deemed to be anything out of the ordinary). Having said this, approximately 450 kg (992 pounds) have been removed from the weight of the vehicle and every part has been an improvement over the original. As to production, some of the technology used in this endeavor is about to be used for current vehicles and other items are in testing. As to applicability for older cars (in this instance, Type 964 and Type 993 Porsches), there are on-going discussions about this.

12-12-2003, 10:42 AM	#5
Robert Linton Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,821	But more than merely lighter, better in every way.

12-14-2003, 01:14 PM	#9
robmug Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,480	Robert - fantastic stuff - please do post more photos...and a list of all the parts you have done & plan to do. Is this your job or hobby? What kind of facilities and equipment is needed to do this? __________________ Rob Mugglestone '04 CSL Silver Grey EX: '04 GT3 Clubsport, Slate Grey EX: '93 964 C2 Coupe, Midnight Blue EX: '91 964 C2 Cabriolet Slate Grey EX: '89 964 C4 Coupe Cyclamen Red __________________ "Rome wasn't built in a day; but bits of it were "

12-14-2003, 10:48 PM	#10
Cupcar#12 Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Apex, NC Posts: 2,395	wish i would have seen it - well time marches on and electronics get superseeded. and a Smart Phone (Moto MxP200) would make a good alternative as well (usuable WW) __________________ Rob PCA Carrera Cup USA Registry www.carreracupusa.org 59' 356A Coupe -A garage bay hole- 08' LR3 Se 95' Defender 90 -all current- 69' 912, 65' 356c, 90' 964 cab GP/Blue, 70' 911e, 69' 911s, 69 911e/s, 01' 986, 99' 996 Aero, 92' Carrera Cup USA Edition #92012

12-14-2003, 11:05 PM	#11
Robert Linton Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,821	With luck the Sony Ericsson P900 will be installed in the center console tomorrow.

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