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Guys, I'm considering buying an RS. What are the opinions of users about these cars? What will their value be in the future? I can buy this car, it would be third RS in my garage.
When stock 964’s are compared, the RS is definitely a car worth experiencing… the light weight, chassis setup, direct steering, mag wheels.. a lot of cool features that make the RS a package far superior to the rest of the line up, excluding the 3.8 RS.
The RS would make a great weekender; a car one would take for spirited drives on nice clear days and occasionally to the track. Surely one can have a lot of fun with it but don’t expect it to be a perfect car.. Well, unless you can find a cool RS touring with AC and more user friendly seats. But then again, the technology has moved on to the point that certain refreshments/upgrades seem inevitable.
With that out of the way, I can wholeheartedly say that with today’s technology, materials and in certain experienced hands a properly built C2 can make an RS feel lacking in all aspects. I’m not talking about value retention here, but if we’re genuinely exploring the pure driving pleasure, a complete package that can deliver in all conditions and occasions from track days to dinner dates.. you need to look beyond the RS… and as such, one should expect such cars to cost accordingly.
I have embarked on an experiment of making “my” perfect 964, and it was imperative that there would be no compromises in any aspect, as if one were to walk into a Porsche Special Wishes centre in the early 90s and spec out a custom 964 with access to all options Porsche can offer, including all period motorsport drivetrains. I must say, we had to cheat on suspension components and exhaust as the current options far exceed the capabilities of those in the 90s.
It took a few years to complete but the result was well worth it. Is it better than an RS? To me, it certainly is..
I think a few of the experienced members here have eluded to the fact that a perfect car can only be the one that you pour a lot of yourself into.
You’re on the 964 forum, so everyone will tell you to get the car.
The 964 RS is the perfect blend between modern (ABS, electronic fuel injected, coil over suspension) and raw (manual steering, 5 speed, non-egas, air cooled). They still drive like an old school 911 but with better manners. on the perfect fall driving day, I’ll grab the keys to my 964 cup over the 991 GT2RS, which says something.
highly likely these cars will hold their value for the next 15 years. After that, it’s a generational question: do future generations value cars as much as Gen X / Boomers.
I’m considering adding a 964 RS. I have a Euro spec 964 Turbo 3.6, and two RS’s (993 and a 997 4.0). Adding a 964 would complete the trio of best analog RS’s.
Guys, I'm considering buying an RS. What are the opinions of users about these cars? What will their value be in the future? I can buy this car, it would be third RS in my garage.
I spent 4 years finding an all original low mileage example and picked one up over a year ago.
it’s a keeper. My only air cooled in the garage. Nice complement to the modern RS I’ve owned and have.
It’s quite hardcore and raw so it’s in the rotation and usually only driven a dozen times a year when I want something incredibly raw and analog to drive on b roads or the very occasional track day.
can’t speak about values much - I paid top dollar and it’s likely worth at least that now after 1+ years.
Nice! I’ve owned both and my 2RS was the same color as well. Driving emotion point of view, the modern stuff is no contest on the track. On the b roads the hydraulic steering, old school manual, LWFW, and lightness of the 964RS make it much more enjoyable for me and you don’t have to go 3X the speed limit to get the blood going.
QUOTE=997 tt/rs;18460033]Yeah I got those two so from driving emotion point of view it will be unbeatable but 964 looks special too. [/QUOTE]
It’s quite hardcore and raw so it’s in the rotation and usually only driven a dozen times a year when I want something incredibly raw and analog to drive on B roads
I have space and time for two weekend and in my short 4yr tenure with 911s I ended up with two long term keepers a 964 RSA and a 991.2 3RS. If I could only have a single 911 then it would be a 997 3RS 2nd gen maybe a 4.0 but to be honest I like to drive my cars and that is probably too collectible/valuable to drive frequently. In the last couple of years the 964s went from rarely seen for sale to one on BaT every week. I can’t register the Euro RS in California so the RSA was the logical next in line albeit just a slightly lighter 964 C2 with two seats (except 94). I love driving the 964 but at the same time I also have some project plans to completely upgrade the suspension and brakes to up my personal use case enjoyment. The above quote resonates with me and I think it is why I see some 964s selling on again as some folks bought into the wrong car. I love old cars the nostalgia, the smells, noise, smaller car but most importantly the analogue or could be said as hard core driving experience. If it’s a garage queen your buying then my comments are probably not that important. If you like to drive your cars and push them then I can say that the 964 is raw fun but not easy to drive quick like a modern 911. It’s all manual so it’s all you when driving and I have got myself into a couple of heart pumping moments that fortunately ended ok. I think anyone could drive the newer 911s pretty quickly but the 964 is more rewarding and if nothing else has reminded me that my driving skills need further honing for the air cooled era cars. I also like to wrench on my weekend cars and the 964 being a 30yr old car needs more attention than the newer models but I wouldn’t weigh that as a big concern if you have a collection of RS’s.
In terms of value retention that would be my least concern for owning a 964 RS.
I highly recommend picking one up if you like air cooled cars. Sold my 2016 RS that I had a lot of fun times in for several years to get my Cup USA (45 cars that were imported into the US as street cars for a Carrera Cup series that didn’t end up happening and these cars were basically identical to a ROW RS). Have no regrets whatsoever in making that move.
I agree with RapidGT, Ecosse911 and kkabba. They are special cars in that they fulfill the promise of what one wants in any 964,
and if you found a low mileage 10km example for a decent price, value will not be a problem.
I will add that you can easily drive a 964RS quite regularly without issue once you get it properly set up and maintained.
It's not a commuter car, but it's not a race car either. Behaves just fine for any drive in most any conditions.
actually 964rs is a homologated race car - no A/C, unassisted steering that’s a workout, no radio, stiff suspension, kill switch, no room to store anything, LWFW that wants to die at every stop light, recaro PP seats that only fit if you’re 150 pounds.
definitely does not behave fine under normal conditions and a nightmare to drive in the city (even if I do at times).
if u found a low KM original car that is straight I’d think it would command $$$. Perhaps OP got lucky?
I picked mine up after it was well maintained in fancy collections for 2 decades and just changed the tires and oil and drove it straight to Mosport and tracked it for a PCA w/end and car didn’t miss a beat - just had to refresh heal/toe
Originally Posted by laranja
I agree with RapidGT, Ecosse911 and kkabba. They are special cars in that they fulfill the promise of what one wants in any 964,
and if you found a low mileage 10km example for a decent price, value will not be a problem.
I will add that you can easily drive a 964RS quite regularly without issue once you get it properly set up and maintained.
It's not a commuter car, but it's not a race car either. Behaves just fine for any drive in most any conditions.
Guys, thanks for your comments.
what would be a fair price for such car?
Btw. I own 964 turbo from 2 months now and im in love but im type of turbo man 🙃
Kinda hard to speculate on price esp for a rare piece and limited infos i think you should share the seller's asking price and start from there, nice car to complete your collection though.
I’ve always wondered if the price delta is worth it to upgrade to a RS vs a well sorted 964. Just from a car enjoyment/driving perspective.
Achilles heal for me with regular 964’s is the gearing. So if I did a regear, would the 964 RS be that much more superior?
Honestly - the question is this - how much do you care about a seam welded chassis? and how much do you care about originality?
You can build an "RS clone" with everything except the seam welding for much less than a proper RS would cost you.
On the value question - it's hard to know. Right now, they are at or near their peak. We would all like to believe all of our cars will only go up from here, but history would say that's a foolish view. I would say buying cars and trying to game the market is never a great idea. If you truly love the car, then buy it and be ok with whatever the market does. That way you're not upset if it loses value over some period of time or too worried to drive it if it gains too much value.
Lastly, I would say this - DRIVE the car first. Many (most) of these cars are not in the US for obvious reasons and I've known more than a couple people that had this idea in the mind of what it would be and it just wasn't when it got delivered (after buying remotely obv). So fly to wherever it is, drive it, and then make a conscious decision on if you think it is worth it.
11-12-2022, 07:52 AM
964 RS is it worth having?
