Nski

If i have no engagements, its a DATE! IM THERE

Nski

I think once you get the coilovers on, and those black center rh's, the car will look very nice! Its all in the detail Gaz, all in the detail!

screamingflat6

That's the look Norm,

Targa top with a RS twist,but the comfy interior is staying as I don't want to make another car which is a pain to use.
My targa is going RS height with koni's and a full mo30 roll bar kit, I've got the wheels,just need same rear centre section as your good self from ap and in October she will be getting naked and will look concourse again within a month.
But I will keep driving it, as some people that know me say that once I paint it I'll become OCD again.

Gaz,

mr pg

I'll be interested to see how your targa works out. Mine use to be be ar RS height, but ride/steering just didn't work. On the advice of Chris at Center Gravity, he's put it at at about MO30 height, and it handles fantastically now.
He doesn't advise targas to go as low as RS's.
I have Koni sports at the front, but will probably have to go with standard at the back as Koni's no longer available for mine. I tried the Koni's on the stiff setting, but found the front just bounced up and down, so have left it about midway.
When I get the rear shocks doen I may see if he can get it a tad lower without upsetting the geo too much. I also have a front strut brace.

John Boggiano

Well don't all get too excited about that date yet then - I wouldn't want to rain on their parade. Especially as they have been very good to me lately. Let me have a think on it datewise.

Atgani

Yes and it's not the only magazine to have publicised the allure of the Triangle recently IIRC.

Sorry if this appears like I'm putting a "downer" on proceedings.

I didn't attend on Sunday for two reasons.

Firstly a post on this very thread made me want to avoid the day at all costs.Strangely that post appears to have been deleted by the poster (the posters avatar has a picture of a Rubystone 965 Turbo ?)

Said post intimated that if any "spirited" driving was expected on Sunday it would be better saved until a forthcoming karting evening.

If I go to the Triangle I go to "make progress" not cruise around in convoy (as I'm sure John B will attest to, and to that end I still have happy memories of an epic 996 GT2 Vs 997 GT3 drive with John B a couple of years ago)

But secondly I became increasingly aware and not a little concerned at the amount of cars that were going to be attending.

I lived within 30mins of the Triangle for 4 years up until a couple of years ago. I went to great lengths to keep the Triangle (and the surrounding roads) very low key on forums such as Pistonheads (I even went to the lengths of requesting posters on there remove their "favorite route posts" to avoid all and sundry discovering and abusing the routes and instead discuss possible routes by PM "behind the scenes")

I gave up in frustration as it felt like I was swimming against the tide.
You only need take a look at the "Roads" forum on PH and see the various "Evo Triangle" threads to realise that it's fast attracting drivers who will bring about it's demise as a driving nirvana.

You'll note that Evo magazine in all of it's 12 years, has never shown a map of the triangle (and if my memory serves me right they've never specified the whole route)

Why ? you may ask. Well once these routes become better publicised, more people will use them AND abuse them. Once this happens I fear both the local residents/ farmers will start complaining to the local constabulary.

Once that happens it's only a matter of time until the the fate that's befallen the Cat and Fiddle befalls the Triangle and surrounding roads.

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing...speed%20camers

I delivered my car to a specialist up in Warrington on Tuesday, I was "concerned" to hear Sundays run being discussed. No great surprise as said specialist clearly has a loyal customer base of 964 owners, but it did worry me that the run had attracted so many attendees. 31 cars in convoy, whilst great fun, may prove to be the thin end of the wedge.

I've spent many a happy hour driving the Triangle and surrounding roads (but normally on my own and NOT at weekends) I fear those may prove to have be halcyon days.
Enjoy the Triangle by all means, please just be aware that you may be signing it's death warrant by sampling it's undoubted attractions so frequently and in increasingly large numbers.

As I said, sorry if I appear to be putting a downer on proceedings

screamingflat6

That was me,

I like a spirited drive,

But on reflection of the amount of cars I thought it would be better to treat this as a meeting/drive.
As far as thrashing around there,go by yourself, as I have seen plenty of fantastic fast drivers make mistakes and usually on RS day at Oulton.
I think the day was good and people who have only just started owning 911's didn't scare themselves to death.
I'm not scared I just think all those cars and a big off,would stain the reputation of PORSCHE owners even more.Also all my content on this thread is there still,so you can still read I'm not hiding from you,never in a month of Sunday's.


My name is Gaz. and I still have the turbo,I change my avatar regular like my socks.(regular)

McJohn

Regrettably Atgani makes a very good point, but the even sadder truth is that ALL the decent driving roads in the UK will disappear sooner or later, with or without publicity on forums. It is the stated aim of our governance and it's lackeys to squeeze any last ounce of joy out of all of us, all in the guise of health and safety. Or global warming. Or whatever is the next scam. Sadly the best option is to enjoy it while you can.

It is for this reason that I wince every time I read another article about "Great Driving Roads in Scotland". Let me make it plain. There are NO good roads in Scotland, honest Guv!

boxsey911

This one was billed as:

and that's exactly what it was. Driving behaviour on the day was impeccable but I agree that if anyone wanted to go out and test themselves and their car this would not have been the a day for them.

John Boggiano

I know exactly what you mean, but it is rather swimming against the tide, as you say.

There's a dilemma between keeping it to yourself, or sharing it with people that you know would really enjoy it. On balance, it's perhaps better to be fully open about the whole thing that appear somewhat furtive by trying to keep much of it hush-hush.

I was a bit concerned myself about the numbers, especially when the event started spreading to other forums, where I don't know the character of the people who could potentially get involved. That's why I've always just kept it on Rennlist, where I know personally almost all of the people who are likely to be coming.

That's why I'm at pains to make sure people behave responsibly and don't treat it as a speed fest, especially near any areas with habitation. The internet means that nothing stays secret for long these days and, of course, much of what was special and known only to a few becomes spoiled as a result. But all the people that came along on this run were a good bunch, full of fun but sensible with it - to be otherwise would have meant someone would have stuck out like a sore thumb.

That's the way I like it and, it seems, almost everyone else does too. A bit of a blast in solitude is fantastic, but so is a out and out fun day in good company and able to see cars just like your own on the move along great roads. Anything antisocial or reckless doesn't ahve a place on these runs, but fun and enjoyment do. Anyone who feels they have something to prove will only prove that they don't belong there.

John Boggiano

Steve makes a good point there - the runs are all about their motto: Drive, Chat, Eat, Laugh.

I'm not a great fan of meetings were you spend all your time in the pub, or wandering about around cars that are parked up and lifeless. I like to get in some of everything.

The roads around there are already subject to police patrols, speed camera signs, and mad bikers. I'd like to think a large group of cars acting responsibly wouldn't pose too much of a nuisance/problem.

Having said that, there's opportunity to stretch their cars legs safely and away from others' eyes for those who wish to do so - the 'convoy' tended to split into different sections in that way.

John Boggiano

Sorry, Henry - reading your post again I realise I rather mistook the thrust of it.

So, on reflection: it's true that with such a huge number of cars, there's less opportunity to make the kind of progress we might like, but that's not to say it can't be done - as I indicated, the group naturally did a bit of sub-sectioning betwwen those who wanted different things from the day - that's why we had a few re-grouping points along the way.

And, yes, you're absolutely right about increasing popularity bringing decreasing opportunity for enjoyment - just look how the Nurburgring's gone. But such a big group as we had that day is, as you know, very unusual and as everyone was very well behaved I honestly feel there would be little ground for complaint by locals: for the most part, there was nobody in evidence at all except those on the run, and everyone was very courteous and responsible when others were encountered or at farms/houses and so on.

In short, a day when - I really hope - everyone, whether they like to attack the roads or cruise along admiring the scenery, or just meet new and old friends - had a really good time without feeling pressurised either to do anything they weren't perfectly comfortable with, or to 'conform' to what anyone else was doing.

Sal 965

We had a great day and we only came for the lunchtime meet.

I totally understand Henry's point. Maybe in the future there could be more social bias meets and also more driving bias meets at different times if numbers are getting too large. I've never been on a Rennlist run before where, admittedly numbers never exceeded 10, i have felt a cause for concern. Even when the police have had a presence the good behaviour shown by the group means after a short period of observation we have been left alone.

Another solution to the route becoming a "no go zone" would be to vary the routes to minimise the impact on the local farmers and residents by going just a little further out. As noted a recent magazine gave some ideas for other Welsh roads but i think that the internet, whilst a great thing through which quite a few of us have met and become good friends, means that once a good thing is discovered becomes widespread public knowledge and almost every forum has a roads section.

It would be easy to look down on the owners of other car brands who frequent these great roads and who maybe are a bit younger and don't show the respect we do but by continuing to adapt to the traffic, conditions and our own individual driving standards i don't see why we can't enjoy these roads for a long time to come.

Waffle over.....

John Boggiano

I think I'll aim for the weekend after the one I mentioned earlier - hang on, that's not very useful is it, evn if I am in a bit of a hurry? That would be...

May 2nd. I'll start a thread for it later unless I can thing of a snag.

Atgani

John, no apology needed. My post wasn't to decry (in any way) the meet on Sunday. H*ll, if you don't arrange them, no one else seems to be willing to !!

I'm just concerned that if these gatherings become regular and with such large numbers in attendance they may cause problems in the future.

As an interesting aside, a poster on PH decided to sample the delights of the Triangle for the first time a couple of years ago. On his arrival there, he drove around it four times ! !

Now lets just say for the sake of arguement he drove an Impreza with a "baseball cap on backwards type exhaust system" To the locals the first time he passed through their village he might have been watched with amusement, the second time with a narrowing of eyes, the third time with a sense of exasperation and the fourth and final time with a quick call to the local police to say that some yob in a noisy car keeps racing through the village.

If our Subaru driving friend then scoots off home and the local police decide to "investigate" only to witness a gaggle of Porsches being driven at speed around the locality, one can only guess what their actions would be. My guess is the facts would be noted and the case for reducing the speeding "menace" that afflicts the Triangle would be raised at the next meeting with Adolf Brunstrom . . .

Last weekends run was "out of season" for the local police. Come Easter weekend and the next seven or so months you can rest assured their presence will be scaled up, and if we happen to get caught in the net whilst they're targeting lunatic bikers, they'll not care one iota.

I'm all too aware that the Triangle is a superb piece of road and I guess I'm a being selfish in my quest to keep it "off the radar" to the general public !

Maybe it's an over reaction on my part, but the day those average speed cameras appear we'll have lost a great driving road. That saddens me (especially if through a little vigilence and common sense) it could have been postponed.

One point I would take issue with though. Rob M spoke of applying his brakes several times to "warn" those behind him that the unsighted corner approaching was severe (no kidding !!) that to me indicates that "progress was being made".

The local constabulary and or the magistrate who oversee the case of the person (or people) in numerous Porsches speeding around The Triangle will NOT differentiate between us guys doing 80/90/100 +mph out in the wilds and the person doing 35mph outside a school at 3.30pm.
Whilst you and I both know that the former is a more responsible use of speed, the powers that be will not recognise the oh so subtle difference. You're a pragmatic bloke, don't kid yourself that making progress around these roads in a responsible manner is ANY form of defence against charges brought by the speed ***** !

I think the suggestion of using other roads is a good one. I suggested some a couple of years back but you were concerned that they were maybe too far away for some of the attendees to travel to.

If the numbers witnessed on Sunday become the norm I'd suggest those who wish to take advantage of your organisational talents be prepared to make the effort to travel a bit further in order to preserve use of the Triangle for as long as possible

Now where's my diary . . .