Another Ambitiously Priced RS America
#46
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I wounder how many were totaled on the track/street. Not to mention how many were stolen? My guess overall is well over 50. I'm certain most saw their demise on a race track. After all thats what this car was really for.
link: http://rsamerica.net/In_Memoriam.htm
link: http://rsamerica.net/In_Memoriam.htm
#47
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I cant get over the 996 ugly...
Cayman handling not for me...
Don't fit in Corvette..
I'm still looking for a better car for the money. Just love how it drives, too bad I wont have time to track till Winterfest earliest.
No idea what mine will sell for when the (better??) RS arrives but its still much less than the nutty 997RS prices, also no warranty.
#48
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I wounder how many were totaled on the track/street. Not to mention how many were stolen? My guess overall is well over 50. I'm certain most saw their demise on a race track. After all thats what this car was really for.
link: http://rsamerica.net/In_Memoriam.htm
link: http://rsamerica.net/In_Memoriam.htm
#49
Intermediate
Mine has ABS.
Better Porsche for the money? It's impossible to argue with that, but I don't set they market. When I bought mine in 2000, there wasn't any price differential to a standard 964; maybe a little? I did pay extra to get a clean '94 in black. I wanted back seats, and the day I found it (out in Houston), it was off to PPI. It was on a truck to CA by the end of the week! It's now worth more than twice what I paid for it, and I can't say that for my house I bought the same year.
I got even luckier on the microbus. Crazy market at 8x what I paid 8 years ago. That one I DO want to sell. Any takers?
Better Porsche for the money? It's impossible to argue with that, but I don't set they market. When I bought mine in 2000, there wasn't any price differential to a standard 964; maybe a little? I did pay extra to get a clean '94 in black. I wanted back seats, and the day I found it (out in Houston), it was off to PPI. It was on a truck to CA by the end of the week! It's now worth more than twice what I paid for it, and I can't say that for my house I bought the same year.
I got even luckier on the microbus. Crazy market at 8x what I paid 8 years ago. That one I DO want to sell. Any takers?
#50
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I'll get slammed for this but a 73 rs touring added a sport suspension, a third of a liter engine capacity, wider wheels, rear flairs, front and rear spoilers, a paired down interior and stickers over a 73s. The 73RS sport/lightweight was the stripper, with thinner body panels glass etc...and was not available for import in the us originally. Today a 73S is worth about $230K, a RS touring near $800K and the RS sport north of $1M...
So a RSA adds a sport suspension, paired down interior, rear spoiler, wider wheels, strips the power steering and of course stickers over a standard C2. The Euro RS again is the stripper, with thinner glass, aluminum hood, better suspension and engine tune (clubsport adds a cage and track equipment) Given the limits on engine options and EPA mandates it seems that the rsa was about as much as could be done in the states.
Right now a good C2 is going for $50K, RSAs near $100K and Euro RSs in the $250s...
I think the market will correct it always does, but the relative values will stay.
Last of the aircooled 901 IMHO....
So a RSA adds a sport suspension, paired down interior, rear spoiler, wider wheels, strips the power steering and of course stickers over a standard C2. The Euro RS again is the stripper, with thinner glass, aluminum hood, better suspension and engine tune (clubsport adds a cage and track equipment) Given the limits on engine options and EPA mandates it seems that the rsa was about as much as could be done in the states.
Right now a good C2 is going for $50K, RSAs near $100K and Euro RSs in the $250s...
I think the market will correct it always does, but the relative values will stay.
Last of the aircooled 901 IMHO....
#51
I am an original owner of a 1993 RS America.
Basically I originally bought the car because I was LESS expensive then a C2, and it was a back to basics sports car with out over 100 options (RSA could only choose color, seatbelt color, LSD, Air, Radio, Sunroof). I liked that I would have more room in the car for a helmet - without the sunroof. Overall - I just liked it better - it was 10K less - seemed too good to be true.
The car is amazing. The BIGGEST things that set it apart from a C2 in my mind are - engine noise (does not have the C2s sound insulation between you and the engine), lack of power steering. The feel of the steering is just awesome. There are a ton of other little things……..
So it is all about Supply and Demand. There were only 701 built - less exist now - especially nice ones. There are always the roomers about the cars crinkled finish under the hood, rolled wheel arches, etc (especially in the first of three build groups - which mine is). That ads interest in the car.
Is it worth 3-4 times as much? No way. Are there more people then 700 that want one - you bet. So the price reflects that.
I agree with earlier threads that the bubble will burst, and the outrageous prices that we have seen will fall again.
I am glad I still have one - and have no plans to sell. I LOVE the car - and that would be true even if it was worth 3X less than a C2!
FLAGG
Basically I originally bought the car because I was LESS expensive then a C2, and it was a back to basics sports car with out over 100 options (RSA could only choose color, seatbelt color, LSD, Air, Radio, Sunroof). I liked that I would have more room in the car for a helmet - without the sunroof. Overall - I just liked it better - it was 10K less - seemed too good to be true.
The car is amazing. The BIGGEST things that set it apart from a C2 in my mind are - engine noise (does not have the C2s sound insulation between you and the engine), lack of power steering. The feel of the steering is just awesome. There are a ton of other little things……..
So it is all about Supply and Demand. There were only 701 built - less exist now - especially nice ones. There are always the roomers about the cars crinkled finish under the hood, rolled wheel arches, etc (especially in the first of three build groups - which mine is). That ads interest in the car.
Is it worth 3-4 times as much? No way. Are there more people then 700 that want one - you bet. So the price reflects that.
I agree with earlier threads that the bubble will burst, and the outrageous prices that we have seen will fall again.
I am glad I still have one - and have no plans to sell. I LOVE the car - and that would be true even if it was worth 3X less than a C2!
FLAGG
#52
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"The first ever 911 Cup series, this is where it all began!"
Found this gem over at JZM (no affil).
I like their text, "The first ever 911 Cup series, this is where it all began!"
Porsche 964 Carrera Cup £199,900 ($322,000+)
http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-fo...p-for-sale-604
This is a unique opportunity to acquire one of the original 911 cup cars that ran in the first German championship.
The first ever 911 Cup series, this is where it all began!
These Porsches have become incredibly collectable and rarely do they surface for sale, especially cars that have just received a full (Money no object) restoration to the highest possible standard.
Fully Restored 964 Carrera Cup Car • 1990 (Series L) and the 33rd car of the first 50 produced. • Manufactured In January 1990 & originally owned and raced by Rolf Rosenkranz of Germany • Complete with DMSB Wagenpass & currently road registered in the UK, hence the passenger seat • Factory supplied In Grand Prix white and sporting the 1991 Belgium GP livery as raced at Spa Francorchamps. • Correct 17” cup alloys (9.5 rear) & (8.0 fronts) running Michelin pilot sports • Original welded Matter full cage supplied with paperwork & DMSB stamp • All usual cup car features, correct as it left the factory.
#53
#54
Burning Brakes
Hilarious.
There is no way I would ever swap my 997 gt3 for one of these. Which is precisely why I am going to build one for much cheaper.
Go try and build a gt3 starting with a reg 997 S.
Oh wait. You can't.
There is no way I would ever swap my 997 gt3 for one of these. Which is precisely why I am going to build one for much cheaper.
Go try and build a gt3 starting with a reg 997 S.
Oh wait. You can't.
#55
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Sad that it's never been used...
1993 911 RS America - 2,483 miles
$195,000
A great find with only 2,483 original miles. This is believed to be the second lowest mile RSA in existence, the first is locked away with the original owner. (does this mean the owner is buried in it??) This RS has never been damaged, tracked or modified. It has been kept in a climate-controlled facility for much of its life. Full known history. Three options, sunroof, limited slip differential and radio. This RS #60 is an early 1992 build with rolled fender lips. If you are looking for the best RS available this is the car.
(no affiliation) http://www.porsport.com/1993_rs_america_red
1993 911 RS America - 2,483 miles
$195,000
A great find with only 2,483 original miles. This is believed to be the second lowest mile RSA in existence, the first is locked away with the original owner. (does this mean the owner is buried in it??) This RS has never been damaged, tracked or modified. It has been kept in a climate-controlled facility for much of its life. Full known history. Three options, sunroof, limited slip differential and radio. This RS #60 is an early 1992 build with rolled fender lips. If you are looking for the best RS available this is the car.
(no affiliation) http://www.porsport.com/1993_rs_america_red
#58
Rennlist Member
Sad that it's never been used...
1993 911 RS America - 2,483 miles
$195,000
A great find with only 2,483 original miles. This is believed to be the second lowest mile RSA in existence, the first is locked away with the original owner. (does this mean the owner is buried in it??) This RS has never been damaged, tracked or modified. It has been kept in a climate-controlled facility for much of its life. Full known history. Three options, sunroof, limited slip differential and radio. This RS #60 is an early 1992 build with rolled fender lips. If you are looking for the best RS available this is the car.
(no affiliation) http://www.porsport.com/1993_rs_america_red
1993 911 RS America - 2,483 miles
$195,000
A great find with only 2,483 original miles. This is believed to be the second lowest mile RSA in existence, the first is locked away with the original owner. (does this mean the owner is buried in it??) This RS has never been damaged, tracked or modified. It has been kept in a climate-controlled facility for much of its life. Full known history. Three options, sunroof, limited slip differential and radio. This RS #60 is an early 1992 build with rolled fender lips. If you are looking for the best RS available this is the car.
(no affiliation) http://www.porsport.com/1993_rs_america_red
#59
I recently sold my low miles RSA, and I do miss it already. Something about the raw feel of no power steering, M030 suspension, decreased sound dampening that gives the car an overall feel much different than a standard C2. Not that you can't get a C2 to be a much better car than a standard RSA, but it's the idea that Porsche made this edition for "America" is unique. There's no "RS China" (yet) or for any other market. Does it justify the price? No way. I believe in true value over nostalgia. Like the others have mentioned, there are a lot of other P cars you can get for half the price one of these is going for (eg, 997 GT3). However, I do have a thing for the 964, so I couldn't resist picking up a '94 C4 widebody. Talk about another overpriced vehicle, but not at the level of the RSA currently. In contrast to the garage queen mentality, my philosophy is to drive and enjoy these cars as much as possible.