cobalt

I agree. Although seeing the flachbau's in person changed my opinion I still think the package car will always be the rarity that I wish I had a chance to purchase along with the 3.8RS. I find it interesting the turbo S's and the 3.8RS/RSR's are bringing similar money. IMO the 3.8's should be a good distance ahead but they are not street legal in the US.

But I have no doubt we still have some changes coming to the market.

It seemed like yesterday we were all saying how one day these cars will bring MSRP again.

Ak3249

Kingfrog3

I would have one Flatnose and one of these:

1992 Porsche 964 3.3 Turbo S Leichtbau
http://www.pannhorst-classics.de/fah...il/?car_id=469

secretcollector

Ah, now the conversation becomes interesting. The Flachbau and Package cars, as well as the X88 cars, are certainly rare and cool but remember that these cars were marketing programs that came out of Exclusive. They are heavy, luxurious versions of the 3.6 - most comparable to the 993 Turbo S.

The Leichtbau on the other hand is a homologation special from Motorsport, a true lightweight. Much more comparable to the RS cars and later, the 993 GT2.

30 CSL

Fully agree.

3.6s definitely not same cars as Leichtbaus and 3.6s - including Flachbaus, Package cars and all X88 cars - do more belong to the 993 Turbo S family ( comfort, luxury )
than to the Leichtbau Family ( No frills, tough ).

Having said that, my remark on Package Cars was Design oriented as they still keep the original silhouette that clearly is more elegant than a Flachbau
( still have to fight with the front part of it ).

Last point, you say the Leichbtau is an homologation special, true lightweight more comparable to the RS... which is true but ... not 100% true !

Here as well, one needs to differentiate : All the Leichtbaus are not as light and tough cars as they are supposed to be. If some of them are true no frills cars, the majority
of them has been ordered with comfort elements like A/C, power-steering, airbags etc...

This belongs to the Porsche history : Even when it is about small batches of so-called special cars, Porsche always accept what the customer wants. What the customer
wants - most of the time - is more comfort and luxury

This is true today, was true early 90s but also true in 1973 when Porsche decided to make a Touring version of the RS 2.7 ( M472 ) because the no frills lightweight versions
( M471 ) were too tough for the clientèle.

cobalt

I corrected it for you

30 CSL

Flachbau

Well you are right but for the wrong reasons. The IMSA 'homolgation' car was the Turbo S2. The Turbo S Leichtbau was built to take marketing advantage of Porsche's success in IMSA.

There are several ironies about the Turbo S Lightweight. First, as you say, it could be built as a not-so-lightweight - but it definitely is of the 'RS' mode not the 'S' mode. Second, the car was not built for the U.S. market where IMSA ran. Third, by the time the majority of the '1992' Turbo S Lightweight were being built in October/November 1992 (model year 1993) Porsche was well underway working with Brumos developing 3.6 Turbo's to run in IMSA beginning in February 1993 - the 3.3 liter ran and won its last race in October 1992. Interestingly Brumos was running 3.6's in IMSA before some 50% of the TSL cars were delivered to customers!

Turbo Jonny

Talking of IMSA , this one has the stickers
And not a bad sticker price too !

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...s-spec/3612675

TL-Register

FOR SALE: A dazzling 3.6 Turbo 'S' spec, with X88 engine upgrade and X99 kit.
*SIMILAR QUALITY CARS ALWAYS REQUIRED*

stupid advert as a similar car does not exist - this is a one of one German car

Flachbau

There were 3 X88 cars built with X99 rear fender vents. Two of these were Speed Yellow.

As to this car .. it has been passed on many times including when it was for sale in Japan with 83,300KM !! .... there is a known odometer discrepancy with this car.

http://www.garagecurrent.com/porsche/964/582/

TL-Register

with a WP0ZZZ - VIN and German specs. ?

30 CSL

I do not think this car is the one that was for sale at Roock / Germany a couple of months back.... Different VIN

Flachbau

I am not sure your question - but if you are asking why it was for sale in Japan - there are many euro spec 964/993 model Porsche's that were sold used into Japan in the 1990's and 2000's - and many that over the past few years that have been brought back to Europe.

Most of the good quality cars were brought back to Europe before the Japanese understood what was going on with the increase in Porsche prices worldwide - so they were purchased fairly cheaply and resold into Europe. Now what is left if mostly very low quality available at very high prices.

For example this car is a VERY VERY poor condition but asking $450k as I recall http://www.wide19.com/vcsMember/stoc...14-1&carNo=586

Unfortunately, for the most part cars in Japan are treated very poorly by their owners ...

Flachbau

The Roock car was a different car ... it was the other Yellow car with X99 rear vents.