981 GTS Options
01-05-2020, 02:54 PM
#31
I see Super Street is loaded this year and A Street is thin.
If I recall the SCCA rules correctly, you have some additional choices for wheel diameter down to 18" for the GTS. I believe they offered a winter tire package as an option which allows for lighter wheels and more tire choices. This will also help your gearing with PDK if you can lower the car with the right tire cross section height.
BTW, what's the tire of choice these days?
If I recall the SCCA rules correctly, you have some additional choices for wheel diameter down to 18" for the GTS. I believe they offered a winter tire package as an option which allows for lighter wheels and more tire choices. This will also help your gearing with PDK if you can lower the car with the right tire cross section height.
BTW, what's the tire of choice these days?
01-05-2020, 07:45 PM
#32
@SoCal-NSX
Is this really a good price on this? ~65k for a 2016 (72% of MSRP) with not super-low mileage seems high to me, but I'm new to Porsche buying... Are GTS's holding their value extremely well?
Is this really a good price on this? ~65k for a 2016 (72% of MSRP) with not super-low mileage seems high to me, but I'm new to Porsche buying... Are GTS's holding their value extremely well?
original sticker with options on that car was about $91,000
so for $65,000 with 23k Miles is a good price if everything checks out.
01-05-2020, 07:52 PM
#33
PTV was also a standalone option on PDK 981 GTS. Ordered my 981 GTS with PDK and PTV, glad I did. When PTV kicks in it feels like the Hand of God helps you turn, plus limited slip, a must have IMO. I also prefer PASM over the cheaper, non-adjustable at the press of a button, X73. If tracking would add a DSC controller, which is not available for X73. NFS until my Spyder order is firm. Good luck with your search.
01-06-2020, 11:24 AM
#35
"Hello Bill,
A car without PTV has an open differential in it. It relies 100% on electronics to assist with traction control, though abs actuation on individual wheels. We do make an LSD to retrofit to those cars, but we don't consider it a motorsports item in the same way that we do our other products. Porsche/ZF didn't leave us a lot of real estate to work with and we had to make a tiny little LSD. It works just fine, but on a long track session it will get really hot, and the PDKs HATE heat. we always tell people building a racecar to get a PTV vehicle and then install our "big" PDK. It's a totally different beast, and while you would want a cooler on your gearbox for any track work at all, the big diff doesn't run as hot.
Regards,
Matt"
01-06-2020, 11:45 AM
#36
From Matt at GTgears:
"Hello Bill,
A car without PTV has an open differential in it. It relies 100% on electronics to assist with traction control, though abs actuation on individual wheels. We do make an LSD to retrofit to those cars, but we don't consider it a motorsports item in the same way that we do our other products. Porsche/ZF didn't leave us a lot of real estate to work with and we had to make a tiny little LSD. It works just fine, but on a long track session it will get really hot, and the PDKs HATE heat. we always tell people building a racecar to get a PTV vehicle and then install our "big" PDK. It's a totally different beast, and while you would want a cooler on your gearbox for any track work at all, the big diff doesn't run as hot.
Regards,
Matt"
"Hello Bill,
A car without PTV has an open differential in it. It relies 100% on electronics to assist with traction control, though abs actuation on individual wheels. We do make an LSD to retrofit to those cars, but we don't consider it a motorsports item in the same way that we do our other products. Porsche/ZF didn't leave us a lot of real estate to work with and we had to make a tiny little LSD. It works just fine, but on a long track session it will get really hot, and the PDKs HATE heat. we always tell people building a racecar to get a PTV vehicle and then install our "big" PDK. It's a totally different beast, and while you would want a cooler on your gearbox for any track work at all, the big diff doesn't run as hot.
Regards,
Matt"
01-06-2020, 12:09 PM
#37
Instructor
Out of curiosity, since you're always talking about how cheap and inferior the X73 is to PASM (and I believe the only person I've heard that doesn't find the X73 amazing), how much money do you save by getting X73 on a GTS? Or asked another way, since PASM is so amazing and expensive, how much more did you pay to get it on your GTS?
If you need other rhetorical / newbie questions answered, don't hesitate to ask.
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01-06-2020, 12:22 PM
#38
Rhetorical questions or are you a newbie? In either case let's look at facts. Standalone X73 is a cheaper option than standalone PASM on any Porsche. Hmmm ... PASM was standard as part of the 981 GTS package, was standard on 911 S, 911 GTS, 911 Turbo, and 911 Turbo S models. Hmmm 2.0 ... wonder why? Because PASM is better for most all pcar owners in most all situations. A more supple ride for day to day roads, a more track focused suspension at the press of a button. With the development of the DSC PASM controller, it's not even a fair fight on the track. Will never order a Porsche with X73, will never order a Porsche without PASM. Some prefer the less compliant, cheaper, non-adjustable ride, the more it sucks the more they love it. Thankfully not me, I outgrew that.
If you need other rhetorical / newbie questions answered, don't hesitate to ask.
If you need other rhetorical / newbie questions answered, don't hesitate to ask.
1. Standard non-adjustable suspension.
2. $1,790 PASM suspension. 10mm lower than standard suspension.
3. $1,235 X73 Sport Suspension. 20mm lower than the standard suspension.
The GTS models came with PASM standard. X73 Sport Suspension was a no cost option.
PASM was the most comfortable suspension, and best for most scenarios. X73 Sport Suspension was the ultimate performance suspension.
Things changed a bit with the 718 generation, though there are still three options.
1. Standard suspension.
2. PASM suspension.
3. PASM Sport suspension.
PASM Sport is the ultimate performance suspension, and is the equivalent of the 981's X73 Sport Suspension.
01-06-2020, 12:49 PM
#39
Burning Brakes
Last edited by MidEngineRules; 01-06-2020 at 01:05 PM.
01-06-2020, 01:06 PM
#40
PASM Sport has different front and rear bars as well as shorter, stiffer springs.
PASM Sport is 10mm lower than standard PASM and 20mm lower than the standard suspension.
01-06-2020, 03:25 PM
#41
Originally Posted by John Ferguson
Rhetorical questions or are you a newbie? In either case let's look at facts. Standalone X73 is a cheaper option than standalone PASM on any Porsche. Hmmm ... PASM was standard as part of the 981 GTS package, was standard on 911 S, 911 GTS, 911 Turbo, and 911 Turbo S models. Hmmm 2.0 ... wonder why? Because PASM is better for most all pcar owners in most all situations. A more supple ride for day to day roads, a more track focused suspension at the press of a button. With the development of the DSC PASM controller, it's not even a fair fight on the track. Will never order a Porsche with X73, will never order a Porsche without PASM. Some prefer the less compliant, cheaper, non-adjustable ride, the more it sucks the more they love it. Thankfully not me, I outgrew that.
If you need other rhetorical / newbie questions answered, don't hesitate to ask.
If you need other rhetorical / newbie questions answered, don't hesitate to ask.
01-06-2020, 08:40 PM
#42
Rennlist Member
From Matt at GTgears:
"Hello Bill,
A car without PTV has an open differential in it. It relies 100% on electronics to assist with traction control, though abs actuation on individual wheels. We do make an LSD to retrofit to those cars, but we don't consider it a motorsports item in the same way that we do our other products. Porsche/ZF didn't leave us a lot of real estate to work with and we had to make a tiny little LSD. It works just fine, but on a long track session it will get really hot, and the PDKs HATE heat. we always tell people building a racecar to get a PTV vehicle and then install our "big" PDK. It's a totally different beast, and while you would want a cooler on your gearbox for any track work at all, the big diff doesn't run as hot.
Regards,
Matt"
"Hello Bill,
A car without PTV has an open differential in it. It relies 100% on electronics to assist with traction control, though abs actuation on individual wheels. We do make an LSD to retrofit to those cars, but we don't consider it a motorsports item in the same way that we do our other products. Porsche/ZF didn't leave us a lot of real estate to work with and we had to make a tiny little LSD. It works just fine, but on a long track session it will get really hot, and the PDKs HATE heat. we always tell people building a racecar to get a PTV vehicle and then install our "big" PDK. It's a totally different beast, and while you would want a cooler on your gearbox for any track work at all, the big diff doesn't run as hot.
Regards,
Matt"
What I don't like about PTV is the way it grabs the rear brakes. With very grippy tires it slows you down quite a bit coming out of corners. On slicks it slows you down SO much that the only solution is to go PSM off completely which is not always ideal for everyone.
