Replacement for my 2013 Boxster S
03-19-2021, 10:44 AM
#16
I think a new 718 4.0L GTS would be the way to go! I'm with you in that there's no way you'd get me into a 4-cyl turbo Boxster. It could have twice the power of my 981 BS. Don't care. The motoring experience isn't ALL about speed.
I just got my '14 BS 6MT with sport chrono, sport suspension, and PTVD. I've owned many good sports cars on the very affordable end of the spectrum (many BMW's, RX-8, FR-S) and raced many great cars. But so far, I'm rather infatuated with my car, even with 84k miles on it. I can see myself just investing in keeping it in good shape and driving it to 150k+. The only thing that really bugs me is the super tall 1st-3rd gears. Its such an enjoyable engine to rev out that I'd really like to get to do it more often without breaking every speed limit in the country just when topping 2nd gear! I'd probably rather do that than get a new GTS! (easy for me to say from the standpoint of not being able to afford a new GTS!)
Its really sad that there's no real equivalent out there from a competitor, with a manual transmission. And none on the horizon. I have a feeling that I bought my car at an absolute sweet spot from a value standpoint!
Even if you cant test drive a GTS, you know the 981 chassis well enough... If you go for one, you could probably do a factory order, being pretty sure you're going to like it. Happy shopping!
- Anthony
I just got my '14 BS 6MT with sport chrono, sport suspension, and PTVD. I've owned many good sports cars on the very affordable end of the spectrum (many BMW's, RX-8, FR-S) and raced many great cars. But so far, I'm rather infatuated with my car, even with 84k miles on it. I can see myself just investing in keeping it in good shape and driving it to 150k+. The only thing that really bugs me is the super tall 1st-3rd gears. Its such an enjoyable engine to rev out that I'd really like to get to do it more often without breaking every speed limit in the country just when topping 2nd gear! I'd probably rather do that than get a new GTS! (easy for me to say from the standpoint of not being able to afford a new GTS!)
Its really sad that there's no real equivalent out there from a competitor, with a manual transmission. And none on the horizon. I have a feeling that I bought my car at an absolute sweet spot from a value standpoint!
Even if you cant test drive a GTS, you know the 981 chassis well enough... If you go for one, you could probably do a factory order, being pretty sure you're going to like it. Happy shopping!
- Anthony
Yes totally agree regarding the long gearing, I also have a 981S and the gear ratios are well just too long, second gear is 84 mph, third is 114 mph. I wish Porsche would produce a short ratio gear box for the new 718 4.0L GTS, i would then look at buying one. Right now I have a 981S Manual with PSE and have added a FVD Tune and Sport headers giving me around 370hp, I'm not sure spending 80k on a new GTS would give me that much more satisfaction, not too mention the new GTS has particulate filters.
The max speed in gear for the 981S (Manual) and (PDK)
Gear / Ratio (PDK) / Max Speed (PDK) MPH
1st / 3.31 (3.91) / 49 (42)
2nd / 1.95 (2.29) / 84 (71)
3rd /1.41 (1.65) /116 (99)
4th / 1.13 (1.30) / 144 (125)
5th /.95 (1.08) / 172 (151)
6th / .81 (.88) / 201 (185)
7th / (.62) / (263)
I did watch an interesting video by Harry Garage yesterday, and he was reviewing a BMW CSL (355bh) which had been converted to a short ratio gear box. Transforming the driving experience of the BMW.
If only you could have the same on the 981S, it would be the perfect sports car.
Here is the video;
All the best Michael
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03-19-2021, 01:03 PM
#17
Three Wheelin'
I think I'd have to agree personally. I used an iphone analogy the last time this came up... sure, the new iPhone is better in every conceivable way, but the one I've got works fine. If I have the spare cash and have to have something new and shiny, it makes sense. Otherwise, it's absolutely unnecessary.
03-19-2021, 01:07 PM
#18
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I think that purpose-built low volume thriller cars are going to be the future as we move more towards EV's. And hey, you might know this author!
https://jalopnik.com/the-honda-power...tur-1845384407
03-19-2021, 01:10 PM
#19
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I did watch an interesting video by Harry Garage yesterday, and he was reviewing a BMW CSL (355bh) which had been converted to a short ratio gear box. Transforming the driving experience of the BMW.
If only you could have the same on the 981S, it would be the perfect sports car.
If only you could have the same on the 981S, it would be the perfect sports car.
03-19-2021, 01:13 PM
#20
I think a new 718 4.0L GTS would be the way to go! I'm with you in that there's no way you'd get me into a 4-cyl turbo Boxster. It could have twice the power of my 981 BS. Don't care. The motoring experience isn't ALL about speed.
I just got my '14 BS 6MT with sport chrono, sport suspension, and PTVD. I've owned many good sports cars on the very affordable end of the spectrum (many BMW's, RX-8, FR-S) and raced many great cars. But so far, I'm rather infatuated with my car, even with 84k miles on it. I can see myself just investing in keeping it in good shape and driving it to 150k+. The only thing that really bugs me is the super tall 1st-3rd gears. Its such an enjoyable engine to rev out that I'd really like to get to do it more often without breaking every speed limit in the country just when topping 2nd gear! I'd probably rather do that than get a new GTS! (easy for me to say from the standpoint of not being able to afford a new GTS!)
Its really sad that there's no real equivalent out there from a competitor, with a manual transmission. And none on the horizon. I have a feeling that I bought my car at an absolute sweet spot from a value standpoint!
Even if you cant test drive a GTS, you know the 981 chassis well enough... If you go for one, you could probably do a factory order, being pretty sure you're going to like it. Happy shopping!
- Anthony
I just got my '14 BS 6MT with sport chrono, sport suspension, and PTVD. I've owned many good sports cars on the very affordable end of the spectrum (many BMW's, RX-8, FR-S) and raced many great cars. But so far, I'm rather infatuated with my car, even with 84k miles on it. I can see myself just investing in keeping it in good shape and driving it to 150k+. The only thing that really bugs me is the super tall 1st-3rd gears. Its such an enjoyable engine to rev out that I'd really like to get to do it more often without breaking every speed limit in the country just when topping 2nd gear! I'd probably rather do that than get a new GTS! (easy for me to say from the standpoint of not being able to afford a new GTS!)
Its really sad that there's no real equivalent out there from a competitor, with a manual transmission. And none on the horizon. I have a feeling that I bought my car at an absolute sweet spot from a value standpoint!
Even if you cant test drive a GTS, you know the 981 chassis well enough... If you go for one, you could probably do a factory order, being pretty sure you're going to like it. Happy shopping!
- Anthony
03-19-2021, 01:14 PM
#21
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03-19-2021, 01:25 PM
#22
I bought my 981BS around the same time you did. At the time, I remember observing that when it came to two-seat sports cars, the next step up was a Ferrari 458.
Still true, IMHO. 981 = peak sports car. It was and is all downhill from there, at least until the GTS 4.0 was announced.
Still true, IMHO. 981 = peak sports car. It was and is all downhill from there, at least until the GTS 4.0 was announced.
03-19-2021, 01:36 PM
#23
This is a great point (although I'm not sure the particulate filters apply to the US... could be wrong though).
I think I'd have to agree personally. I used an iphone analogy the last time this came up... sure, the new iPhone is better in every conceivable way, but the one I've got works fine. If I have the spare cash and have to have something new and shiny, it makes sense. Otherwise, it's absolutely unnecessary.
I think I'd have to agree personally. I used an iphone analogy the last time this came up... sure, the new iPhone is better in every conceivable way, but the one I've got works fine. If I have the spare cash and have to have something new and shiny, it makes sense. Otherwise, it's absolutely unnecessary.
03-19-2021, 02:08 PM
#24
I have driven one... My gripes were the blind spots and just how freakin' HUGE it feels. It does all the things you say and does them very well. The things that Porsche has that the zl1 will never has is the way the car is mechanically engineered and THAT feeling. With the electronics and such it will be a faster car than any 987/981/718 but it just doesn't have that same feeling of construction. It IS nimble but the feeling of driving an aircraft carrier vs a 987 make it have a bad placebo of feeling less nimble after the Porsche.
It is a big lump of a car and thats what you get with 650hp. Its light and nimble in its own way, but its not a porsche feeling. The cars feel different - you steer the zl1 with the rear, and the porsche with the front. This is why I have a 981s too, they complement each other and are different and fun, rewarding experiences. The chevy is a man's car, I get in that car and my ********* expand 25%, the porsche is more cerebral, a ballerina.
I'm not saying the Porsche is a girls car, just... delicate. The porsche tells me to hit that apex, nail the shift, maintain composure, sir, the chevy is telling me, **** the apex, light em up around it, yeehaaww!
03-19-2021, 03:23 PM
#25
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Porsche:Camaro :: scalpel:chain saw.
The world needs both, no question about it. But while I'm nobody's idea of a surgeon, I'd make an even worse lumberjack.
The world needs both, no question about it. But while I'm nobody's idea of a surgeon, I'd make an even worse lumberjack.
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03-19-2021, 07:00 PM
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