Intent of the Cayman S?
08-23-2005, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bet
...The real question and issue then becomes, do you continue to hinder the performance of other lines/platforms for the purpose of keeping the other on top?
08-24-2005, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by bet
There is nothing wrong with keeping the rear engine design around, but....The real question and issue then becomes, do you continue to hinder the performance of other lines/platforms for the purpose of keeping the other on top?
Any fear the Cayman is going to put the 911 out of business is unfounded. The 928 was suppose to replace the 911, and that didn't go anywhere. We had the 944 Turbo, no dice. People love the 911, and always will. The Cayman should be used to bring new buyers into the Porsche line. It would be a real shame if Porsche didn't develop the Cayman to its full potential.
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08-24-2005, 03:21 AM
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As long as Porsche makes cars; there will be new 911s; as long as there are new 911s, they will be rear-engined; and as long as there are new 911s they will be air-cooled; Period.
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09-20-2005, 06:37 PM
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"If you are not breaking into the 4's to 60 mph in today's market, you're really not competitive in my opinion"
I suspect that the Cayman will be at the high 4's once tested, since the new Boxster S consistenly tests at 5.0. Porsche claims 5.1 to 60 for the Cayman and they are usually conservative by several tenths. Splitting hairs..yes. This car will be very quick, though not rocket ship fast. There is a pretty fine line between those two characterizations. If the car was 4.5 to 60 (like the SLK55) we would be talking about it as a beast, but at 4.8 or 4.9 it is just quick. Car enthusiasts are a funny bunch. I can't wait to drive it.
I suspect that the Cayman will be at the high 4's once tested, since the new Boxster S consistenly tests at 5.0. Porsche claims 5.1 to 60 for the Cayman and they are usually conservative by several tenths. Splitting hairs..yes. This car will be very quick, though not rocket ship fast. There is a pretty fine line between those two characterizations. If the car was 4.5 to 60 (like the SLK55) we would be talking about it as a beast, but at 4.8 or 4.9 it is just quick. Car enthusiasts are a funny bunch. I can't wait to drive it.
09-21-2005, 12:18 PM
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I have a fairly tweaked GT3 at the moment.
It is alot of fun but one of the things that sets it apart is the engine.I have
questioned my local OPC about a Cayman RS,he didnt dismiss it out of hand.
The handling of such a car should be brilliant.
I look forward to seeing the Cayman in the flesh.
Shane
It is alot of fun but one of the things that sets it apart is the engine.I have
questioned my local OPC about a Cayman RS,he didnt dismiss it out of hand.
The handling of such a car should be brilliant.
I look forward to seeing the Cayman in the flesh.
Shane
09-22-2005, 06:17 PM
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Once the Panamerica comes out the 911 is going on life support.
They will have a GT and a roadster.
They have essentially split the 911 into it hybrid parts making it redundant.
They will have a GT and a roadster.
They have essentially split the 911 into it hybrid parts making it redundant.
09-23-2005, 12:22 AM
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Not quite...it is still the rear engine vehicle. The inherently wrong design that works. No one else offers that. It will always have it's place and appeal I believe.
09-23-2005, 01:41 PM
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Right, and it has 4 seats (ok, 2 are for todlers). I think the 911 could stand on it's own without holding the Cayman or Boxster back. I'm disappointed they didn't offer the same engines available on the 911, just to keep the 911 better by comparison.
09-23-2005, 04:03 PM
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I personally think the 911 could stand on its own even with equal engines in the Cayman. If you look at the numbers, the 2wd 911 coupe is not the highest selling model (which is what the Cayman would compete against). The Cayman will not complete with someone who wants the 911 cab. Neither will it compete with someone who wants awd.
There is also still a large % of the general population (and even a good percentage of the Porsche specific population) that consider the 911 "the Porsche" and would not consider buying anything else no matter what the performance numbers were. The “911” name and reputation itself would allow Porsche to continue to sell the 911 in rather large numbers (maybe even increase the price/profit to make it more exclusive), while attracting new buyers to Porsche with other cars with equal or better performance. Exclusiveness is still very important (and should not be under estimated) to many new 911 drivers. They don't necessarily care what the performance numbers are as long as they are somewhere in the upper echelon of the performance car market. Many buyers just want the exclusiveness of having a Porsche 911. These buyers will continue to buy the 911 over any comparable Cayman, even if the Cayman has equal or better performance numbers.
Additionally, models such as the turbo and GT3 would continue to be 911 exclusives with bigger HP numbers (and faster 0-60 times). Porsche could then let the Cayman S have the base 911 or even the 911 S engine.
There is also still a large % of the general population (and even a good percentage of the Porsche specific population) that consider the 911 "the Porsche" and would not consider buying anything else no matter what the performance numbers were. The “911” name and reputation itself would allow Porsche to continue to sell the 911 in rather large numbers (maybe even increase the price/profit to make it more exclusive), while attracting new buyers to Porsche with other cars with equal or better performance. Exclusiveness is still very important (and should not be under estimated) to many new 911 drivers. They don't necessarily care what the performance numbers are as long as they are somewhere in the upper echelon of the performance car market. Many buyers just want the exclusiveness of having a Porsche 911. These buyers will continue to buy the 911 over any comparable Cayman, even if the Cayman has equal or better performance numbers.
Additionally, models such as the turbo and GT3 would continue to be 911 exclusives with bigger HP numbers (and faster 0-60 times). Porsche could then let the Cayman S have the base 911 or even the 911 S engine.
09-23-2005, 05:15 PM
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Hear is really wild idea...
Why not put the boxster and boxster S engines in Cayman and then price them 3-5k less than the boxster and boxster S? Really the Cayman and boxster are the same car. Difference is one is coupe and one is a cab. Cab always cost more than same car in coupe form? Ie 911 coupe has always been cheaper than a 911 cab.
Not every one wants the entry level Porsche to be open topped.
If then you worry about making the cars to cheap or the gap between the 911 and boxster hear is another wild idea.
Make the 3.2 standard in boxster and cayman and make the S version the 3.6 911 motor.
or if that is too close to the 911 market
Make a 3.0L base cayman/boxster and a 3.4 cayman S /Boxster S. Again price the cayman 3-5k less that the boxster sine it is a coupe.
What bugs mee the most is Porsche created a "cheaper" boxster by having a fixed roof and yet calls it a different name just so they can justify charging more money.
Why not put the boxster and boxster S engines in Cayman and then price them 3-5k less than the boxster and boxster S? Really the Cayman and boxster are the same car. Difference is one is coupe and one is a cab. Cab always cost more than same car in coupe form? Ie 911 coupe has always been cheaper than a 911 cab.
Not every one wants the entry level Porsche to be open topped.
If then you worry about making the cars to cheap or the gap between the 911 and boxster hear is another wild idea.
Make the 3.2 standard in boxster and cayman and make the S version the 3.6 911 motor.
or if that is too close to the 911 market
Make a 3.0L base cayman/boxster and a 3.4 cayman S /Boxster S. Again price the cayman 3-5k less that the boxster sine it is a coupe.
What bugs mee the most is Porsche created a "cheaper" boxster by having a fixed roof and yet calls it a different name just so they can justify charging more money.