PASM better?
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PASM better?
I am shopping for a used Cayman and have come across a few 2006 S models that have PASM and Sport Chrono. I know what they do, but my question is whether they are a desirable option or is PASM a potential problem? I plan to use the car as a daily driver with occasional auto-x and maybe a DE at Sebring, and prefer the handling and power of the S. Any thoughts/experience? Thanks
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I considered them desirable for AX and track when I ordered both on my new '06 CS. I still consider them well worth the money, although I very rarely use either other than for AX and track. Switching to sport mode makes a noticeable difference in both suspension firmness and throttle response (the latter takes a little getting used to). Whether they'd be desirable for road driving probably depends on the driver.
The timer part of Sport Chrono was fun to mess with initially, but I haven't used that in years.
I've never heard/read about any PASM or Sport Chrono problems.
The timer part of Sport Chrono was fun to mess with initially, but I haven't used that in years.
I've never heard/read about any PASM or Sport Chrono problems.
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For autocross use, PASM is an ideal option. I've read here that PASM cars have a higher spring rate than non PASM equipped ones. Also, the car sits 10mm lower which allows for more negative camber on the front end. I don't have PASM, but wish I did.
I do, however, have sport chrono. I never use it. The increased throttle response is a hindrance rather than a help when driving at the limit, and does nothing to help lower lap times.
I do, however, have sport chrono. I never use it. The increased throttle response is a hindrance rather than a help when driving at the limit, and does nothing to help lower lap times.
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If you are used to the normal "non-sport" throttle, switching to sport can upset your throttle "squeeze" when on the track. When I tried it, the result was two spins. I'm in the instructor group.
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I've re-worked the somewhat definitive sentence I previously questioned:
"The increased throttle response is a hindrance rather than a help for me when I'm driving at my limit, and does nothing to help lower my lap times."
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+1, but it makes the car seem faster, fooling some butt meters
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PASM is a waste of money, when buying new. If buying an used Cayman and the PASM or non-PASM price is the same, PASM is worth it.
The 2012 Cayman R shocks/springs are non-PASM, and better than the 06-08 PASM, and better than the 09-12 PASM. Bilstein PSS9 are cheap and much better than the Cayman R shocks/springs. PSS9 allow for a setting that suits daily driving, then adjust them for autoX or track use.
For track use, the Cayman has too many weaknesses, I have experienced all of them in just 6 track days, they take heavy $$$ to get fixed.
For autoX use, the car needs either a LSD or a big front sway bar.
Sport Chrono adds nothing to the Cayman, just a trigger happy throttle that adds no performance, and makes modulation difficult, especially at bumpy tracks like Sebring.
The spring rates difference between PASM and non-PASM is negligible for a car that weighs close to 3,300 lbs with driver.
The 2012 Cayman R shocks/springs are non-PASM, and better than the 06-08 PASM, and better than the 09-12 PASM. Bilstein PSS9 are cheap and much better than the Cayman R shocks/springs. PSS9 allow for a setting that suits daily driving, then adjust them for autoX or track use.
For track use, the Cayman has too many weaknesses, I have experienced all of them in just 6 track days, they take heavy $$$ to get fixed.
For autoX use, the car needs either a LSD or a big front sway bar.
Sport Chrono adds nothing to the Cayman, just a trigger happy throttle that adds no performance, and makes modulation difficult, especially at bumpy tracks like Sebring.
The spring rates difference between PASM and non-PASM is negligible for a car that weighs close to 3,300 lbs with driver.
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PASM is a waste of money, when buying new. If buying an used Cayman and the PASM or non-PASM price is the same, PASM is worth it.
The 2012 Cayman R shocks/springs are non-PASM, and better than the 06-08 PASM, and better than the 09-12 PASM. Bilstein PSS9 are cheap and much better than the Cayman R shocks/springs. PSS9 allow for a setting that suits daily driving, then adjust them for autoX or track use.
For track use, the Cayman has too many weaknesses, I have experienced all of them in just 6 track days, they take heavy $$$ to get fixed.
For autoX use, the car needs either a LSD or a big front sway bar.
Sport Chrono adds nothing to the Cayman, just a trigger happy throttle that adds no performance, and makes modulation difficult, especially at bumpy tracks like Sebring.
The spring rates difference between PASM and non-PASM is negligible for a car that weighs close to 3,300 lbs with driver.
The 2012 Cayman R shocks/springs are non-PASM, and better than the 06-08 PASM, and better than the 09-12 PASM. Bilstein PSS9 are cheap and much better than the Cayman R shocks/springs. PSS9 allow for a setting that suits daily driving, then adjust them for autoX or track use.
For track use, the Cayman has too many weaknesses, I have experienced all of them in just 6 track days, they take heavy $$$ to get fixed.
For autoX use, the car needs either a LSD or a big front sway bar.
Sport Chrono adds nothing to the Cayman, just a trigger happy throttle that adds no performance, and makes modulation difficult, especially at bumpy tracks like Sebring.
The spring rates difference between PASM and non-PASM is negligible for a car that weighs close to 3,300 lbs with driver.
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I am shopping for a used Cayman and have come across a few 2006 S models that have PASM and Sport Chrono. I know what they do, but my question is whether they are a desirable option or is PASM a potential problem? I plan to use the car as a daily driver with occasional auto-x and maybe a DE at Sebring, and prefer the handling and power of the S. Any thoughts/experience? Thanks
A couple things about the SC that are worth mentioning- You can put PASM in sport mode without activating the SC sport mode by using the button with a pic of a shock absorber on it. Also, by putting SC in sport mode in addition to the throttle response change (which I don't like) the threshold for PSM activation is increased. It allows the car to come further around before PSM steps in. This can be a nice middle ground between disabling PSM completely and the standard mode.