ditch my 964 for a cayman?
10-02-2012, 12:08 AM
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Bah. Drive one. They'll both hold their value over 20 years of comparison.
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10-04-2012, 12:30 AM
#17
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Just purchased a Cayman S and also have a 91 C2. Both great cars, but i would keep the 964 if one had to go. I haven't spent that much time in the Cayman so may not be a great opinion, but as others have said if it is a daily driver i would go Cayman. If a weekend toy I would keep the 964.
10-31-2012, 11:56 AM
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I owned both and did a Ring/Spa tack day and European holiday in 2011 in the 964 and the same in the Cayman S in 2012. The Cayman outperformed the 964 in all departments, performance, comfort and track day use. I couldn’t fault it, It was equally at home spending 8 hours on the road or thrashing around Spa.
The 964 is a great car and I loved the intoxicating smell, sound and feel of the car, but it is 20 years old and while both of these cars were only for weekend use and Holidays, the Cayman S is the one I would choose, even if when I see a 964 going by I still have a fondness for them. I sold the 964 due to the seating position (RHD models have off set pedals) and it gave me back ache on long runs, I started to look around and didn’t want a 996 so went for the Cayman S and glad I did.
If you want the 964 for the feel of the car (smell, sound) keep it it is a fantastic car. If you want IMO the best of the rest (this side of a GT3 and GT3RS) get the Cayman S.
BTW the engine is only 10 inches away and in the cabin with you, so its surprisingly loud when driven hard, and not as subdued as you might think!
The 964 is a great car and I loved the intoxicating smell, sound and feel of the car, but it is 20 years old and while both of these cars were only for weekend use and Holidays, the Cayman S is the one I would choose, even if when I see a 964 going by I still have a fondness for them. I sold the 964 due to the seating position (RHD models have off set pedals) and it gave me back ache on long runs, I started to look around and didn’t want a 996 so went for the Cayman S and glad I did.
If you want the 964 for the feel of the car (smell, sound) keep it it is a fantastic car. If you want IMO the best of the rest (this side of a GT3 and GT3RS) get the Cayman S.
BTW the engine is only 10 inches away and in the cabin with you, so its surprisingly loud when driven hard, and not as subdued as you might think!
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11-01-2012, 09:20 AM
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I owned both and did a Ring/Spa tack day and European holiday in 2011 in the 964 and the same in the Cayman S in 2012. The Cayman outperformed the 964 in all departments, performance, comfort and track day use. I couldn’t fault it, It was equally at home spending 8 hours on the road or thrashing around Spa.
The 964 is a great car and I loved the intoxicating smell, sound and feel of the car, but it is 20 years old and while both of these cars were only for weekend use and Holidays, the Cayman S is the one I would choose, even if when I see a 964 going by I still have a fondness for them. I sold the 964 due to the seating position (RHD models have off set pedals) and it gave me back ache on long runs, I started to look around and didn’t want a 996 so went for the Cayman S and glad I did.
If you want the 964 for the feel of the car (smell, sound) keep it it is a fantastic car. If you want IMO the best of the rest (this side of a GT3 and GT3RS) get the Cayman S.
BTW the engine is only 10 inches away and in the cabin with you, so its surprisingly loud when driven hard, and not as subdued as you might think!
The 964 is a great car and I loved the intoxicating smell, sound and feel of the car, but it is 20 years old and while both of these cars were only for weekend use and Holidays, the Cayman S is the one I would choose, even if when I see a 964 going by I still have a fondness for them. I sold the 964 due to the seating position (RHD models have off set pedals) and it gave me back ache on long runs, I started to look around and didn’t want a 996 so went for the Cayman S and glad I did.
If you want the 964 for the feel of the car (smell, sound) keep it it is a fantastic car. If you want IMO the best of the rest (this side of a GT3 and GT3RS) get the Cayman S.
BTW the engine is only 10 inches away and in the cabin with you, so its surprisingly loud when driven hard, and not as subdued as you might think!
100% agreed with you,I tracked my 964 and enjoyed it a lot, now I am tracking my Cayman S and it is a whole new game,
I would keep both if I could but I can´t so the 964 had to go
11-07-2012, 03:32 PM
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So how about this scenario......I have a 2008 Cayman S with TPC Turbo and Bilsteins. My car only has about 20,000 miles on it and is a blast to drive; however, I have a soft spot/hankering for an air-cooled 911.
Would you trade a turbocharged Cayman S for a '91 964 Turbo 3.3?
Would you trade a turbocharged Cayman S for a '91 964 Turbo 3.3?
12-29-2013, 10:20 PM
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I have an RSA and new Boxster. The Boxster is so easy to drive, and corners like no 911 can, but it's a bit boring when I compare. The Boxster/Cayman make a great car to lease, but a 964 is for owning.
01-02-2014, 02:51 PM
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I love the styling of the cayman. It has got to be the most gorgeous porsche ever produced. Am I wrong? That being said, am I crazy to sell my 964 which is a hand-built, air-cooled classic, to buy a cayman? Sure the cayman looks great now, but is it going to hold its appeal in 20 years like my 964 does currently? And further, does a Cayman have the power of the 964?
01-03-2014, 08:23 PM
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Different strokes for different folks, or better said, different tools for different purposes.
I love my 993 track car (several of my track buddies think I am nuts to have it for sale) but am moving to the Cayman platform for the change.
I hope I am as happy, as it would be tough to replicate the current car for close to what it will sell for.
I love my 993 track car (several of my track buddies think I am nuts to have it for sale) but am moving to the Cayman platform for the change.
I hope I am as happy, as it would be tough to replicate the current car for close to what it will sell for.
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Cayman is newer thus easier on parts, better on track and better daily driver. Long term value is non existant.
I would take the 964.
It is a fun 911 to own, drive and keep.
I would take the 964.
It is a fun 911 to own, drive and keep.
01-08-2014, 04:00 PM
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I would not sell a 964 to pick up any water-cooled Porsche. It's the perfect intersection of not losing the feedback of previous 911 era while still having a safe/modern sports car. With any Carrera before or since you're losing a bit of one or the other. And you get the distinct high fenders up front which are lost in the 993 and later.
But at the end of the day a Cayman/Boxster or 996/997/991 are workhorse Porsches.
You drive the wheels off them, track them, drive them every day rain or snow -- without regard to their resale. It's not a car you only take out to get ice cream cones on a sunny day.
And yes you can own a Boxster/Cayman or WC Carrera forever as the engine will cost you considerably less to run in the long run than an air-cooled car that has costly rebuilds as a regular part of high mileage ownership. Thus from a maintenace vs. utility perspective the two cars are not interchangeable.
You're talking about a garage queen/track car(RISKY!) vs. a car you can do whatever you want to for as logn as you want.
But at the end of the day a Cayman/Boxster or 996/997/991 are workhorse Porsches.
You drive the wheels off them, track them, drive them every day rain or snow -- without regard to their resale. It's not a car you only take out to get ice cream cones on a sunny day.
And yes you can own a Boxster/Cayman or WC Carrera forever as the engine will cost you considerably less to run in the long run than an air-cooled car that has costly rebuilds as a regular part of high mileage ownership. Thus from a maintenace vs. utility perspective the two cars are not interchangeable.
You're talking about a garage queen/track car(RISKY!) vs. a car you can do whatever you want to for as logn as you want.
02-12-2014, 04:30 PM
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This is a fascinating--and timely--thread to run across, since it addresses the two P-cars I'm considering: a 964 and a Cayman.
I've always wanted a 911, and have decided that it's time to quit thinking and start doing. I've sold off my BMW and am on the hunt. I "had" narrowed my search down to a 91-93 964 C2 but, damn!, they are suddenly almost impossible to find and also priced quite aggressively.
For a variety of reasons, I've mentally eliminated other variation of the 911 (Carreras, 993, 996) for my consideration range. So it's either keep my 964 blinders on (and possibly over-pay if one does pop up that meets my criteria), or cast a longing eye at a used Cayman. For my budget (low 30s), I'm close to a '08 S or a 09 base Cayman.
I know it's apples to oranges, and I'm not asking anyone to talk me into or out of a 964.
I love the classic styling and inherent quality and longevity of the 964, but the flexibility, user-friendliness, and relative lack of maintenance fears the Cayman offers is a strong argument. Either way, the car would be my second driver and see approx. 5K miles/year.
I've always wanted a 911, and have decided that it's time to quit thinking and start doing. I've sold off my BMW and am on the hunt. I "had" narrowed my search down to a 91-93 964 C2 but, damn!, they are suddenly almost impossible to find and also priced quite aggressively.
For a variety of reasons, I've mentally eliminated other variation of the 911 (Carreras, 993, 996) for my consideration range. So it's either keep my 964 blinders on (and possibly over-pay if one does pop up that meets my criteria), or cast a longing eye at a used Cayman. For my budget (low 30s), I'm close to a '08 S or a 09 base Cayman.
I know it's apples to oranges, and I'm not asking anyone to talk me into or out of a 964.
I love the classic styling and inherent quality and longevity of the 964, but the flexibility, user-friendliness, and relative lack of maintenance fears the Cayman offers is a strong argument. Either way, the car would be my second driver and see approx. 5K miles/year.
