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Old 08-18-2020, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Porsche911GTS'16
I just don't foresee Porsche watering down the GT cars to the point of having a GT3 Touring Cab. Will PDK be offered as well?! And with back seats? Where does Porsche draw the line? Is the GT division really going to become a "lifestyle" brand where every model has a GTS and a "GT3" - Macan, Cayman, Panamera, etc? I predict the only open-top GT car will remain the Speedster. No cab, no Targa.
Agree with this, both philosophically and the end result. GT3 touring cab is not going to happen. But Speedster in limited numbers and at crazy prices will happen at some point in 992 cycle.
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I keep reading about these date nights in cars with LWBS. Were the ladies wearing sweatpants?
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Old 08-18-2020, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by zellamsee
ha.. nice and entertaining.. he is great!
Old 08-19-2020, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bli8
For those that don't want to pay $300K for a Speedster, there's hope for a 992 Touring Cab, and I'll take one w/ a 2" higher windshield (than the Speedster's) for $100K less.

So would I ! And I'd even take PDK with that...HAPPILY!
Old 08-19-2020, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by uhn2000
ha.. nice and entertaining.. he is great!
Yeah Jonny has a great way with words. Was a fun day and neat to have the speedsters (old and new) together at our hangar. The Speedster is a keeper.
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Old 08-19-2020, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JCBH
Yeah Jonny has a great way with words. Was a fun day and neat to have the speedsters (old and new) together at our hangar. The Speedster is a keeper.

Just don't get him bagels from Father's Office 😂
Old 08-19-2020, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by raclaims
The article is spot on

i can’t post it enough on rennlist

The speedster is to me the best all around 911 I’ve ever owned or driven

Yes I’m keeping the RS4.0 forever but the speedster may end up with most miles on it of any car I own. I just can’t stop grabbing the keys and frankly my desire to buy more cars has disappeared (for now lol)
I believe it. My experience has been, when a car is already so good in the first place, when you can open a top on it on the right day, it just takes it to an entirely different level. While I sorta liked the 981 gt4, I LOVED the spyder (my first open top sports car). While the CGT is amazing windows up or down......when those two pieces of targa top come of, the experience is on another planet. I do wish Porsche made an open-top car with all the GT special sauce and a BUTTON! Because even in perfect-weather-Cali, the option to put it up/down in intervals REALLY transforms the overall experience imo (458 spider).

I’m not taking away from all the other special things about the speedster. Like I said, I’m sure it is an AMAZING car to start with. When that is multiplied by an open top, it starts being hard for a hard-top experience to compete.
Old 08-19-2020, 02:31 PM
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Haha, could it be that it feels "smoother" because there is less screaming from the engine..??
Old 08-19-2020, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrtaylor9
... I do wish Porsche made an open-top car with all the GT special sauce and a BUTTON! Because even in perfect-weather-Cali, the option to put it up/down in intervals REALLY transforms the overall experience imo (458 spider).
My exact wish a few posts prior. Come 'on Porsche, if you are listening, this is not diluting the GT brand, but to give customers what they want. I want a more special version of my 991 Carrera S Cab from a few years back - more special motor, gearbox, steering feel, and suspension, that's all.
Old 08-19-2020, 02:47 PM
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Have to say the 991 Speedster was, in many ways, one of the toughest cars to estimate on press launch I've come across—maybe only second to the Carrera GT and for very, very different reasons.

It's been fun to compare/contrast owner reviews since sharing my first take after a day with the car in Sardinia, and now to read JL's "second take." I remember wondering if the Speedster's unique character among GT cars might charm and beguile, particularly for owners, and that long conversation over dinner with the GT engineers. It was a very interesting discussion, and their gut take seems to have been proven out. And if anything is abundantly clear, I need to try a US Speedster.

And fwiw, I'd probably prefer a GT3 that looked like a Cabrio but had the Speedster's bracing (so no back seats). But I'd prefer a lightweight, soft-window GT3 Targa even more…
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Old 08-20-2020, 07:43 AM
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With respect to Porsche offering a GT Cab, to me that's the Speedster. I realize it's an expensive and low number model that's not attainable to many, however there are certainly other great 911 cab options. I'm not a cab guy so not the most sympathetic to those who would like to see one in the standard GT lineup. That said, it might be cool to see a 911 Touring offered in a Cab and/or Targa. Just a thought.
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For me, the open top Porsche to get has always been the one that was purposefully designed and built as a roadster, the Boxster. All 911 cabs to me look like an afterthought that butchers up the beautiful 911 coupe form. Now that the Boxster received a proper 4.0 NA engine, there’s even less of a reason to compromise with a 911 cab. A short backroad run makes it clear that the Boxster is a sports car and the 911 cab is a (very capable) grand tourer, especially in their newer iterations.

The 718 Spyder looks much better than the Speedster just as any Boxster looks much better than any 911 cab — to me, of course.
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JL's entire Top 10 write up is just plain weird. The title is "The Best 991-Gen Porsche 911s I've ever Driven" (my emphasis).

He puts the mechanically identical GT3T in 10th place and the Winged GT3 at No. 1. Then he puts the 991.2 911 GTS at #9 and rates the mechanically identical 50th Anniversary at #2. Okaaaay.

He's better with words than logic.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/best...dels-variants/

Old 08-20-2020, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by WernerE
JL's entire Top 10 write up is just plain weird. The title is "The Best 991-Gen Porsche 911s I've ever Driven" (my emphasis).

He puts the mechanically identical GT3T in 10th place and the Winged GT3 at No. 1. Then he puts the 991.2 911 GTS at #9 and rates the mechanically identical 50th Anniversary at #2. Okaaaay.

He's better with words than logic.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/best...dels-variants/
Putting the 50th Anniversary ahead of the 911R is kinda weird too...
Old 08-20-2020, 05:07 PM
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The 50th anniversary is not identical to the 991.2 gts it’s the same as 991.1 gts.
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