nikuhina

Hey all. Currently have a 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 on order, to be delivered sometime early December ish. Depending on what the markets are looking like, may decide to pony up a bit extra for a 991.1 GT3...

Is there anywhere I can find a concise description of precisely what can go wrong with .1 engines, how much it would cost to fix, and how long it would take to fix?

After the 10-year Porsche warranty runs out, I have read somewhere that you can get an extended warranty with the same terms from Porsche, basically extending the factory warranty. Where can I find more info on this?

I'm worried about buying a .1 GT3, original warranty running out, and then the engine breaking...

dsteding

Lots in this forum to read with some searching. The quick part is the following:

1) All engines (E, F, original G in 2016) are possibly impacted by the finger follower problem.

2) G6 replacement motors are thought to be better, but there is a debate whether the fix is a permanent one or whether the finger followers in those can fail as well.

3) PCNA has been very good about replacing motors under warranty.

4) It is possible to extend the warranties on these motors, I have one that goes through 2027 on my 2016 (original 10 year warranty expires in 2025).

My perspective, owning a 2016 with a G6 replacement? Hard to find any track car with a ten year warranty on the motor, or in my case a 12 year. If mine blows after 2027, I'll put in a 4.0 RS motor.

Cost to replace outside of warranty is probably $40k to $50k. And, I'd also expect the market to develop a "fix" as these 10 year warranties expire, Dundon has one about 80% engineered now.

nikuhina

TY for the summary!

4) How long can it be extended, how much does it cost, and does it cover a "free complete new engine"?

Highline-Autos.com

Hey @nikuhina It is my understanding that once the vehicle becomes 10 years old, that extended warranty from Porsche becomes null, there is no additional 10 years from Porsche, that would mean those cars have 20 years of warranty from Porsche... doesn't really make sense. Here is a link to some information about the 10 year from Porsche on the 991 GT3

https://www.motor1.com/news/176404/p...nded-warranty/

Our extended warranty provider Freedom Warranty does offer extended warranty on the 991 GT3, repairs accepted at all Porsche dealers and licensed independents in the country. For quotes, questions, and example contracts you can reach me at tgibson@highline-autos.com or (855) 924-1333

dsteding

It depends, I got a 6 year from time of purchase (we ran my car through the dealership on a private party sale for the seller to get a tax credit) for about $1200 per year. It would cover the engine if it fails, the car still has the 10 year warranty on that as well.

Highline-Autos.com

Makes sense, I would think you would not be able to do the same if you were to buy a GT3 today.

TinyPP

The difference in price between a 991.1 & 991.2 is about the same price of an engine replacement. If you go with a 991.1 you can effectively (1) Drive the snot out of it up until the warranty is about to expire and get an engine changed. (2) As I believe the real number of replaced engines is marginally small (no one but Porsche knows the real numbers) I would take the risk and buy a 991.1 As aftermarket solutions will become available (Dundon) and my guess the repairs in the event of FF failures will be a top engine rework which is exactly what Porsche is doing with the engine replacements.

Note: If you go with a 991.2 make sure you factor in the real cost of ownership to specifically include Registration, Sales Tax and Insurance.

For the reasons stated, I bought a 991.1 with a factory E replacement that I understand did not have the Finger Followers that were made in India with "Inclusion" issues.

Whatever you decide, don't fall into the Analysis Paralysis mode or you will drive yourself crazy.

One last thought. Instead of buying an extended warranty and a couple of months before my 10 Year warranty expires, I'm taking my GT3 for an engine out inspection of the Cam, FF and oil journals at a cost of ~$5k. Cheap insurance if you ask me! Enjoy life, its too short to worry about uncontrollable events

nikuhina

@TinyPP , great insight! A $5k out of pocket expense to inspect and verify you are not expecting a big engine failure is an excellent idea.

TinyPP

I negotiated the $5K reduction in his ask when I bought the car. Effectively the seller paid for my peace of mind.

mipcar

It would be beneficial to understand that Porsche dealer doing the tear down would know what to look for to asses potential failure and then their commitment to fix/repair prior to failure (preventative). Has anyone successfully achieved this? Inspection no problem or inspection trigger fix?

Should we as a community make a list of dealers willing to work with owners?

I would be willing to travel distance for piece of mind.

dsteding

I did this last fall, and I think the extended warranty thing on a GT3 is a relatively new offering from Porsche. The idea of paying to tear down the engine is a good one too, and I agree on not falling victim to paralysis by analysis. If you find a good one and like the price, buy it. Drive the crap out of it. The smiles are worth it.

RDCR

It was less of a worry in late 2018 when I bought my 2015. The car came with 3+ more years of warranty and I paid $30K less than current prices. My F engine has been flawless unfortunately LOL. I like the idea of pulling the heads off and taking apart for inspection too. If there are no issues just putting the parts all back together might start a failure. Once you get any scoring the misfires won't be long after.

RDCR

I saw the parts that failed up close and personal after Monterey Porsche tore it down. Trust me even a blind squirrel would find that nut.

SterlingatBOM

I have a few years but a used .2 engine and deck lid are cheaper than the price differential so worst case you’re spending the same money. Haven’t heard of a lot of replacement engines failing. Bye late 991.1. Track hard. Enjoy.

TinyPP

I bet there's a way to stick a camera up through an open valve via the sparkplug access hole in the head. Hell if they can get rid of tonsils by going through a human's back end anything is possible.