Chris Harris selling his 992 GT3 Touring, keeping the 991.2
01-21-2023, 09:53 AM
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Total sidebar - I know the 4RS is an incredible car and everyone loves the way it drives…but it is ugly as hell. I’ve seen a few of them in person and they don’t have the presence of a GT3 and the aero is clearly function over form. It’s just a mess, visually.
No matter how good it may drive, I can’t own a car that I think is ugly.
No matter how good it may drive, I can’t own a car that I think is ugly.
My point is, I am not sure what focus groups and customers Porsche is listening to, but they are not on Rennlist and likely not in the US.
01-21-2023, 10:59 AM
#62
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Total sidebar - I know the 4RS is an incredible car and everyone loves the way it drives…but it is ugly as hell. I’ve seen a few of them in person and they don’t have the presence of a GT3 and the aero is clearly function over form. It’s just a mess, visually.
No matter how good it may drive, I can’t own a car that I think is ugly.
No matter how good it may drive, I can’t own a car that I think is ugly.
I agree with you, for me it’s not wide enough which with all the aero parts looks a bit odd. But I still want one. 👍
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01-21-2023, 02:46 PM
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I had two opportunities, one at MSRP, to purchase a 992 GT3 and spec it to my liking. I have gone back and forth for weeks, in fact months, seeing them up close, sitting in them, taking rides in them and in the end I couldnt bring myself to give my 991.2 GT3RS. Mine is a lizard green with all the interior bits and there is no way to spec the new GT3 the same way. But more so than that, something feels very special with my car that I never got that feeling in the new car. Also the ride I had was an eye opener because the tire roar, very unique to 992, is simply unbearable after 15 minutes. I have an RS with full header exhaust and I can gladly drive my car for 2 full hours but the tire roar that overcomes the engine noise at highway cruise in the new car is unbelievable. Then there is the interior dimensions that is too big and park both 992 and 991 side by side (which I have) and the 992 has a much bigger “bubble” the cabin. It looks awkward. 991 dimensions are perfect.
992 for me is the perfect body style for a turbo which is why I have an incoming TTS with bucket seats to complement my RS. If I sold my RS, it would have been the mistake of my life. I have 11,500 happy miles on mine. Very special car.
I have no doubt the 992 is faster than 991 GT3 but so is AMG GTR and I cant stand that car. We dont get paid for lap times. We pay for smiles.
992 for me is the perfect body style for a turbo which is why I have an incoming TTS with bucket seats to complement my RS. If I sold my RS, it would have been the mistake of my life. I have 11,500 happy miles on mine. Very special car.
I have no doubt the 992 is faster than 991 GT3 but so is AMG GTR and I cant stand that car. We dont get paid for lap times. We pay for smiles.
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01-21-2023, 03:17 PM
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01-21-2023, 04:13 PM
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Thats the important part. In my/your opinion, the answer varies. I drove the TTS in 992, I find that interior and body style really complement each other for that trim for that purpose. The new Z06 is also amazing on all aspects but I much prefer the C6 corvette. I’m sure I will be a sucker and still buy the new z06 to scratch that itch but I doubt its a keeper like my 991 RS.
01-21-2023, 05:51 PM
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01-21-2023, 05:52 PM
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01-21-2023, 07:19 PM
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Its personal. The sound, the angles, its too on your face. Its the german corvette. The C7 and AMG GTR are actually extremely similar. Long nose, mid front engine, torque tube, transaxle, lots of torque but very little tactile feedback. Its a body builder. As I said, its all about personal preference. I had a C7 ZR1 and I never liked it. The steering rack is too far away/long. Visibility (front) sucks. You feel the size because of how long the nose is. 911 is love at first sight. I actually had 2 ZR1s, both manual. Tried to like it twice. I drove a GTR only once and it reminded me the ZR1 too much. Maybe I am prewired to hate that architecture. I also dont like the V8 sound that much. It reminds me boats and miami vice. Its not elegant. The V8 in the new Z06 is the only exception.
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01-21-2023, 07:40 PM
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My view, I think many have forgotten the purchaser in my old line of work is still the customer. Every business needs their loyal customers, and business cycles change and people don’t forget when Porsche will need them to buy a Macon or those other dime a dozen cars. I think too many people get their feeling hurt when someone talks about a 911 they own, and honestly as long as you like what you paid for why give a hoot. I drove the 992 extensively, and passed on my MSRP car, and I’m no flipper it just didn’t do if for me. I rather for a person to have the car and enjoy the darn thing, and I’ve bought too many cars just be because I thought I would love it. I was lucky a friend let me borrow his car, and drive it hard which helped my pass decision.
Porsche HQ, know the dealers have caused lots of ill will and trust me I now more than 10 people that said screw you and purchased others brands north of 300k. Some will not buy another Porsche, and not because of the brand, but the Sh*8Ty dealer/salesman that thinks he’s the king and demands you hand over a briefcase with 50k-100k just to say please sell me a car. Some cases it’s not the money, but customer service always wins long term. I got my first GT3 in 2015 because I inquired about a car, and the salesman was awful and basically hung up on me. I called PCNA HQ politely about the treatment and they ask what did I need and I simply said nothing I’m just letting you guys know how potential customers are treated. They asked for my number, and the GM of the dealer called me two days later, and apologized and I was at work and I was a bit harsh on his sorry salesman and I had to go back to work. Wrap this up, I felt bad and called him back when I had more time and said sorry but I was frustrated by the treatment. He asked my what did I want, and I honestly said nothing but thanked him for the call. He googled my name seriously and we have a common friend …….he sent me an email and told me to build the GT3 I wanted. My point is customer is customer, and Porsche is losing that now unfortunately and HQ is not happy with some of its dealers. There are some good dealers out there, but not many. If a person will not get a car don’t BS them for some BS deposit, and drag them a long. I’ve never put a deposit on any GT car if they have a allocation great and if not just tell me it’s all good. I hate to see guys begging for a car, and there’s lots of cars out there ……if you’re spending 200k on a car you should get treated like that …….don’t sale yourselves short to a ***** that only writes the paperwork …off my soap box. Back to sailing across the Mediterranean.
Porsche HQ, know the dealers have caused lots of ill will and trust me I now more than 10 people that said screw you and purchased others brands north of 300k. Some will not buy another Porsche, and not because of the brand, but the Sh*8Ty dealer/salesman that thinks he’s the king and demands you hand over a briefcase with 50k-100k just to say please sell me a car. Some cases it’s not the money, but customer service always wins long term. I got my first GT3 in 2015 because I inquired about a car, and the salesman was awful and basically hung up on me. I called PCNA HQ politely about the treatment and they ask what did I need and I simply said nothing I’m just letting you guys know how potential customers are treated. They asked for my number, and the GM of the dealer called me two days later, and apologized and I was at work and I was a bit harsh on his sorry salesman and I had to go back to work. Wrap this up, I felt bad and called him back when I had more time and said sorry but I was frustrated by the treatment. He asked my what did I want, and I honestly said nothing but thanked him for the call. He googled my name seriously and we have a common friend …….he sent me an email and told me to build the GT3 I wanted. My point is customer is customer, and Porsche is losing that now unfortunately and HQ is not happy with some of its dealers. There are some good dealers out there, but not many. If a person will not get a car don’t BS them for some BS deposit, and drag them a long. I’ve never put a deposit on any GT car if they have a allocation great and if not just tell me it’s all good. I hate to see guys begging for a car, and there’s lots of cars out there ……if you’re spending 200k on a car you should get treated like that …….don’t sale yourselves short to a ***** that only writes the paperwork …off my soap box. Back to sailing across the Mediterranean.
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01-21-2023, 09:25 PM
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I’m 100% happy with my 991.2 GT3 and have no interest in the 992. A GT3 is supposed be an amazing sports car that is also built to be regularly flogged on a track.
An RS is a track car is also street legal. So if track is your main use then RS is the ticket.
The 992 GT3 is more RS than it used to be, which deviates from its original purpose. It sounds like neither the 992 GT3 or RS is suitable for more than the track and the occasional canyon run.
I still enjoy taking regular long weekend trips with my 991.2 GT3 in addition to track days. Some of best memories are these weekend trips in the mountains/along the coast with my lady. Some of my other favorite driving memories are of tracking my ED 991.2 GT3 on the Ring.
The 992 GT3 and RS priorities now overlap too much. Coupled with the uglier, less ergonomic interior, and uglier exterior of both 992 GT cars, in addition to all the ridiculous 992 GT ADM/allocation games, I will likely keep my 991.2 GT3 forever!
An RS is a track car is also street legal. So if track is your main use then RS is the ticket.
The 992 GT3 is more RS than it used to be, which deviates from its original purpose. It sounds like neither the 992 GT3 or RS is suitable for more than the track and the occasional canyon run.
I still enjoy taking regular long weekend trips with my 991.2 GT3 in addition to track days. Some of best memories are these weekend trips in the mountains/along the coast with my lady. Some of my other favorite driving memories are of tracking my ED 991.2 GT3 on the Ring.
The 992 GT3 and RS priorities now overlap too much. Coupled with the uglier, less ergonomic interior, and uglier exterior of both 992 GT cars, in addition to all the ridiculous 992 GT ADM/allocation games, I will likely keep my 991.2 GT3 forever!
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01-21-2023, 09:49 PM
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I’m 100% happy with my 991.2 GT3 and have no interest in the 992. A GT3 is supposed be an amazing sports car that is also built to be regularly flogged on a track.
An RS is a track car is also street legal. So if track is your main use then RS is the ticket.
The 992 GT3 is more RS than it used to be, which deviates from its original purpose. It sounds like neither the 992 GT3 or RS is suitable for more than the track and the occasional canyon run.
I still enjoy taking regular long weekend trips with my 991.2 GT3 in addition to track days. Some of best memories are these weekend trips. Just as my other favorite driving memory is tracking my ED 991.2 GT3 on the Ring.
The 992 GT3 and RS priorities now overlap too much. Coupled with the uglier, less ergonomic interior, and uglier exterior of both 992 GT cars, in addition to all the ridiculous 992 GT ADM/allocation games, I will likely keep my 991.2 GT3 forever!
An RS is a track car is also street legal. So if track is your main use then RS is the ticket.
The 992 GT3 is more RS than it used to be, which deviates from its original purpose. It sounds like neither the 992 GT3 or RS is suitable for more than the track and the occasional canyon run.
I still enjoy taking regular long weekend trips with my 991.2 GT3 in addition to track days. Some of best memories are these weekend trips. Just as my other favorite driving memory is tracking my ED 991.2 GT3 on the Ring.
The 992 GT3 and RS priorities now overlap too much. Coupled with the uglier, less ergonomic interior, and uglier exterior of both 992 GT cars, in addition to all the ridiculous 992 GT ADM/allocation games, I will likely keep my 991.2 GT3 forever!
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01-21-2023, 09:52 PM
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I agree with much of what you said. For me, a Manual gearbox is a huge part of the enjoyment of a sports car (on road or track). So, I love that I can have the 992 GT3 with a Manual that has the performance of a 991.2 GT3 RS but with a stick shift (and it even costs less at msrp).
However the best way for Porsche to serve their market would be to offer an RS with manual, and not turn off a significant portion of their GT3 customers.
Last edited by Drifting; 01-21-2023 at 10:19 PM.
01-22-2023, 12:49 AM
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Chris Harris did post on Instagram that his 992 GT3T battery kept dying. He said he never had a Porsche GT car that wouldn't start until this vehicle. He also said that he is down sizing his collection so he is getting rid of a few cars. Nothing wrong with that. He loves his 991 Touring more so he is keeping it. He loves cars. He is not a flipper... You get to a certain point in life that chasing for the newest and greatest doesn't always mean better. Keep what makes you happy and enjoy life!
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01-22-2023, 01:54 AM
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There is an identical thread in the GT4 sub that has somewhat differing opinions, progress vs this thread.
Nice to read both from an entertainment POV.
Another RL member already pointed out, Porsche maintains a "press fleet" because that's how they sell cars. Nothing will change how the industry disseminates information to the masses.
Harris is not an influencer, he is a professional journalist. Journalism utilizes social media as a tool, like everything in 2023.
He is definitely referring to PC GB, not the dealership in the vicinity.
Nice to read both from an entertainment POV.
Harris is not an influencer, he is a professional journalist. Journalism utilizes social media as a tool, like everything in 2023.
I believe he was he referring to Porsche of Reading which is the dealer - https://www.porschereading.co.uk
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01-22-2023, 11:12 AM
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Part of the process of buying a luxury item is the buying experience..., I do not mind paying more for items such as a car or watch etc., if the process makes me feel good and you are treated as a VIP, but it seems like the experience he had made him a bit resentful.
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