groundhog

Randy went quicker in both the 991.2 GT3 RS (1:23.67) and 991 GT2 RS (1:21.08).

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/m...rs-comparison/


Not sure why the BMW was there, it looked terrible in terms of basic handling.

markiegt3

He was only a fraction slower in a 991.2 in both pdk and manual form to (1:24.66 & 1:24.86 respectively) in cup 2s..

Track conditions must have been really poor for the 992rs & Z06 test, as surely they are a couple of seconds plus quicker than a 991.2 gt3??

Palting

That's why we really cannot and should not compare between separate track trials or tests. The only worthwhile comparison is same driver same track same conditions. Obviously cannot be done at exactly the same time by one driver, but pretty cool how they made it look like Randy was cloned and all 3 cars ran at the same time!

groundhog

Interesting, when the 991.2 GT3 RS test was undertaken it had been raining and the drive was done in slightly damp conditions according to motortrend. The Haggerty test was cold but dry (992 GT3 RS). The point being, the 992 GT3 RS is just not that quick, its certainly not the game changer it was touted to be. In both tests the driver was Randy Pobst - the better conclusion is RP has lost pace, this can happen with age and as already stated the 992 GT3 RS at best is marginally quicker than the 991.2 GT3 RS.

The other point being, if the 991 GT2 RS is still significantly quicker than the 992 GT3 RS, it highlights the fact the 991.2 GT chassis must be very good and certainly on par with the 992 GT chassis - again the double wishbone not imparting a significant difference over the strut design in the 991.2 GT3 RS and 991 GT2 RS.

Occams razor 101.

Keep in mind when the 992 GT3 RS did it N'ring time - there had been multiple attempts and in the end Porsche cherry picked a time and date when the track and air temperature was predicted to be cool.

markiegt3

As Palting said, I think we need a back to back test, same day, same conditions, driver & tyres to really know the difference. Even then, the driver needs to be someone that has decent experience of downforce, such as Randy P., so we know he is gettinhg the best from the 992RS

groundhog

The driver was Randy Pobst in all tests; 991 GT2 RS (1:21.08), 991.2 GT3 RS (1:23.67), 992 GT3 RS (1:24.30), C8 Z06 Z07 (1:24.90) and BMW CSL (1:28.20).

The answer is very simple, in spite of the aero the 992 GT3 RS is barely quicker than the 991.2 GT3 RS/992 GT3 and that has only been shown in optimal conditions (and in the case of the Big Willow test - slower than the 991.2 GT3 RS), moreover its slower than the 991 GT2 RS (in every test thats been undertaken) - the direct implication being the chassis "upgrades" have done very little.

Again Porsche cherry picked conditions for the ring time, the Sport Auto test was done in the factory car at the same time (within 2 or 3 days) and the few independent tests have been marginal or equivocal e.g. Pobst and Monti (Magny Cours - 991 GT2 RS 1:47.16, 992 GT3 RS 1:48.34).

Sure the 992 GT3 RS is technically interesting, but it will be almost unusable on real world B roads, given the spring rates are up nearly 50% on the 991.2 GT3 RS/992 GT3.

JCviggen

Any track with long straights isn't going to show much gain unless there are lots of high speed corners. At Silverstone the 992 was stupid fast but at Spa they were pretty meh. In the end there's only so much you can expect from a car that hasn't really gotten more powerful or lighter, it will vary from track to track.

IXXII

Thanks for posting on the 991 forum. A great video. Unfortunately the 992 GT3 RS is vaporware and rarely available from dealers. I would buy one if they were available. I have heard on secondary markets they are asking $150k over MSRP. These cars are turning into financial instruments! Im glad to see they are fun to drive and fast on the track. But I may have to go with the Z06 since it is available and a very worthy competitor to the RS.

markiegt3

Can you get a z06 for retail price, or are they commanding overs?

IXXII

I found this dealership online that does sell the Corvette ZO6 at MSRP.

https://www.macmulkin.net/

I put down a deposit and got in line. Im thinking early 2024 given the production of cars is ramping up to 300/day now. By then the bugs will have been worked out also.

Tpup

Most dealers charge over. The good ones sell at MSRP but have long lines.

Tpup

I wish you well and hope you are right but they have a huge order list and production at 300/day is not going to happen. The entire plant does not build that many combined Stingray/eray/Z06 cars on their best day. I understand they are going to ramp production but they are also building erays on the same line. Here's production which is updated daily.

https://c8tracker.com/vehicles/dashboard/Z06

Palting

One pf my fellow track junkies has had one on order from last year. He is a long time Corvette man frequently updating his stable, trading in his track prepped C8.for the Z06. Paying MSRP, and had to sign papers stating he will not sell unless he pays a fine and that the buyer will lose warranty. Same thing they did with the Ford GT.

The C8 Z06 is quite tempting. Almost as capable as the 992 GT3 RS at less than half the price

Tpup

I did that. 6 month agreement with GM saying they will cancel the warranty. One year with the dealer paying a fine if I sell it...