raclaims

I mean, I've got zero interest...I'm sure it's going to be a fun car...I just don't see how it's better than an R? Part of me says hey you got the RS4.0 and the R - don't you need the ST for the 992 version...but I'm just not feelin it! Anyone else?

Drifting

the st is truly just a parts bin car. Porsche could have done something special for their 60th anniversary near the end of the NA era but they did not.

The ST would only be worth the price and hassle it if they dropped in a 4.2L from the RSR…..which they should have done. That would have been a special car, a truly special manual RS for the 60th Porsche anniversary.

I have a couple 918 friends and neither of them are getting an ST.

JCviggen

Not my thing anyway these cars but I feel Porsche has dialed up the cynicism pretty high lately with the flood of "special" limited 992 models with a huge price tag whacked onto them. We put the engine from the Turbo (and tuned it way down to not blow the trans torque limit) in a Carrera and put a ducktail on it, give us your money! Here's a 992 on stilts and base model brakes if you pay us enough! Nothing on the ST screams special either, parts they already had lying around in a "never before seen" config.

GrantG

I don’t have (nor will ever have) either one, but the S/T has some obvious advantages:

Better engine with the more reliable valve train, +25hp, 500 rpm higher redline, Double wishbone front suspension (better handling and won’t punch struts through the chassis if you hit a big enough pothole), lower gearing, newer infotainment (if that matters).

Whether these things matter to you for your use or taste is a personal decision. Both cool cars and more similar than different. I’d rather have the S/T, but wouldn’t fault you for preferring the R.

TylerCoupe

I have 8500 miles on my R and just under 5000 on speedster. Enjoy driving both when I can. I feel like I have a good assortment of cars to drive right now including a few mid engine V8s and a V12 from another brand. So have not pushed for an allocation. I am very interested in hearing how the ST drives as to me that is what matters most Time will tell and I would not rule out me wanting this one in the future and would throw SC in the mix as well. But for now on the sideline and enjoying what I have

rk-d

I have driven neither, but I think the 911R is the more interesting car.

Daft Chief

If you watch the EVO walk-around (2016) of the 911 R on YouTube right after watching the recent Top Gear walk-around for the 911 S/T... the difference in conversation topics is truly astounding. It was very weird to hear AP talk about the nice leather interiors and puddle lights on the S/T after hearing him say "it doesn't need leather" when talking about the dash of the 911 R.

I don't have an R yet and, now that the S/T is announced, my money is probably going toward acquiring one and not toward the markup my NorCal dealers will be expecting for the S/T. They're roughly the same out the door for me, all considered, and the R is just a way more special car. (It's possible an even-more-special car will be announced at Rennsport Reunion but the price and rarity will likely make it even more difficult to obtain.)

Side note: first car with double wishbone setup and no rear wheel steer...? Looking forward to hearing how it handles around town and in the mountains. The 911 R development cars "felt like a truck without it".

Nizer

You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

AdamSanta85

Just out of curiosity what makes the R more special than the S/T for you? We haven’t seen 992.2 GT3T yet, but it feels like at the moment the R has more in common with the 991.2 GT3T than anything currently on the market has in common with the S/T.

Exterior wise the only difference between a GT3 and R was engine grill? Interior wise was anything different but gauges? I know the tranny/clutch are unique

At least with S/T you get the RS doors/fenders, special roof, special engine grill and gurney flap, suspension tuning, wheels etc…

Im not taking a dig on the 911R, it’s amazing, but I see S/T taking a lot of heat, when Porsche seems to have put their best foot forward by pushing the envelope even further with this one

itrsteve

Sort of interesting seeing the mental gymnastics being used to marginalize the S/T.

Bruce911_

Haven’t seen or driven an S/T yet, but it looks like Porsche has really stepped up the GT3 with this car. I’m sure it’s going to be amazing. It’s unfortunate that it’s a limited production run and will only fall into the hands of the very few ( although all GT products are limited to some extent). My only other complaint is the cost of the car. With a few options it’s a 300k plus 911. Porsche is capitalizing on what the market has created. If I was fortunate enough to be able to get one and didn’t mind the price I wouldn’t hesitate. Unfortunately those things are not in the cards for me. First world problems as I thoroughly enjoy my Touring and have no intention of selling it.

famoruwa

It does have the 992 GT3RS engine with a manual.....

Yc911Kid

r has a lower prod number to me it's a minus not plus meaning harder to get/replace more value going towards the collector status not the car itself. mechanically s/t superior in every way & has all the r specialness other than rws not available, that'd be interesting but not the end of the world for me.

Daft Chief

The R has a lot to distinguish it from the 991 GT3:
- Carbon hood
- Carbon fenders
- Magnesium roof
- Perspex windows
- Completely re-tuned rear steer, different progressive curve
- Better EPAS tuning
- Re-tuned suspension, setup for road, not track
- Option to remove A/C and Radio
- 10lbs of sound deadening removed
- Special clutch, single mass flywheel
- RS engine... albeit slightly lower redline

I really recommend watching the EVO walk-around and "Jason Cammisa on the 911R" to see what makes it such a special car.

I'm sure we'll hear more about the S/T in the near future that might make the case that it's just as special, if not more, but the interviews that are out there in the ether right now don't do a great job indicating this.

Yc911Kid

other than 918/cgt/959 ain't all models are just parts bin special