Autoweek/Andy Pilgrim 991 GT3 vs Z/28 at Barber Motorsport Park
03-25-2014, 01:56 PM
#48
Thanks for posting this article. My thinking is not how much faster the GT3 would have been on equal rubber but how much slower the Z28 would be on anything less than a Trofeo R due to the sheer mass of the vehicle. While I appreciate what Chevy is trying to do, their car is just too heavy IMO to use anything less than a premiere tire or for that matter be consistently reliable for an entire weekend when it is warm, humid or worse HOT. Those were optimal conditions for some quick laps in this test. Put the temp. @ 90F+ and go for an entire weekend with four 30 minute typical DE sessions and lets see how the car's brakes, tires & super charger are performing. Should the owner properly set the car up with even the most basic of safety features akin to a Club Sport kit (please tell me why Chevy did not have the fore thought to offer that as an option?), this car will be tipping the scales at well over 4,000#+ with driver. The delta in price they speak of at MSRP will be quickly reduced to even or less with the GT3 when one factors in all the expendables (think PCCB's, not rubber) and significantly larger % amounts of depreciation.
Got buy'em early adopters I hope you can prove these assumptions wrong.
Got buy'em early adopters I hope you can prove these assumptions wrong.
03-25-2014, 02:05 PM
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No SC it is NA all the way. Would be interesting if you can run 315 NT01's. Yes I used to run a Boss at 3600# and the only high wear item was brake pads, needed a StopTech 6 piston system.
Peter
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03-25-2014, 02:05 PM
#50
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With regard to which car is easier to drive, I took Andy Pilgrim's comments in the article at face value instead of trying to reinvent them to fit my preconceived ideas. I just re-read them and they seemed very specific and straightforward. But then he's just an accomplished GM factory driver who tested both cars on track back to back; what does he know?
03-25-2014, 02:15 PM
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03-25-2014, 05:21 PM
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Haven't tried the MPSCII's but have tracked the Trofeo R's and MPSC's quite a bit. I found the Trofeo's a lot more grippy. Grippiest treaded tire I've ever driven.
03-25-2014, 05:41 PM
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03-25-2014, 08:29 PM
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lol, you could tell the article is biased...
i mean the guy said he drifted the gt3 around EVERY corner, and it was still faster.
... H E L L O ?
along with the less sticky tires and non CC brakes???
please....
i mean the guy said he drifted the gt3 around EVERY corner, and it was still faster.
... H E L L O ?
along with the less sticky tires and non CC brakes???
please....
03-25-2014, 08:35 PM
#55
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I'm surprised at some of the comments. Knee-jerking seems to overrule homework, I'd have expected more from a crowd that has the wherewithal to afford a 991 GT3. The are some truly embarrassing claims being made and questions asked here.
On a side note- weight doesn't appear to be a deal-killer for other Porsche buyers, maybe if GM had priced the Z/28 at a million dollars and limited it to 918 to be built, it might have found a better reception?
This TopGear article gently presents some facts that elude folks: http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/f...28-2014-034-24
What is interesting to me, as a car guy, and not a make fanboy, is how roles have reversed in only a year. Porsche, thought of as the track weapon, is supplanted by an American (well North American) car at half the price. The American car provides the visceral, analog experience, and on-track factory warranty and races the exact engine found in the street car. The reality more than matches the marketing.
The Porsche goes "upmarket" as a street cruiser, chock full of gizmos and driving aids, that can go to the track if it needs to.
Crazy days. As a car-guy, I love it. It's a truly special time.
On a side note- weight doesn't appear to be a deal-killer for other Porsche buyers, maybe if GM had priced the Z/28 at a million dollars and limited it to 918 to be built, it might have found a better reception?
This TopGear article gently presents some facts that elude folks: http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/f...28-2014-034-24
What is interesting to me, as a car guy, and not a make fanboy, is how roles have reversed in only a year. Porsche, thought of as the track weapon, is supplanted by an American (well North American) car at half the price. The American car provides the visceral, analog experience, and on-track factory warranty and races the exact engine found in the street car. The reality more than matches the marketing.
The Porsche goes "upmarket" as a street cruiser, chock full of gizmos and driving aids, that can go to the track if it needs to.
Crazy days. As a car-guy, I love it. It's a truly special time.
03-25-2014, 10:52 PM
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This TopGear article gently presents some facts that elude folks: http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/f...28-2014-034-24
03-25-2014, 11:09 PM
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CC brakes DO NOT stop better.
They are lighter (sort of, the larger rotor and caliper size likely negates much of the weight advantage)
They are heat/fade resistant.
They are super expensive to replace and will fall apart with track use.
03-25-2014, 11:33 PM
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Non CC doesn't make **** worth of difference in terms of a lap time here. Stop perpetuating the myth. Especially around a short course like this. Don't you think if it did, Porsche would try to advertise it as a lap time/performance advantage like they do with PDK?
CC brakes DO NOT stop better.
They are lighter (sort of, the larger rotor and caliper size likely negates much of the weight advantage)
They are heat/fade resistant.
They are super expensive to replace and will fall apart with track use.
CC brakes DO NOT stop better.
They are lighter (sort of, the larger rotor and caliper size likely negates much of the weight advantage)
They are heat/fade resistant.
They are super expensive to replace and will fall apart with track use.
