desmotesta

Couldnt disagree more with "you are on a 991 forum, will get biased opinion"..

(I surely Hope) most of us don't see 911 generations like they are separate cars and the loyalty is to the brand and what it has given us, not one specific 4 year iteration, that would be IDIOTIC

As to your dilemma, its surely a tough one. I was in similar boat when moving from .1 GTS PDK to .1 GTS Manual, I had a chance to pick up a .1 GT3 Touring (with buckets) from a family member at what would have been a very decent price (for peak of covid) and I passed.
Without living with a 991 GT3T I dont know if I made the right decision, but I looked at the extra $100K as several trips to Italy, France and how many other things I could do and STILL have an N/A .1 GTS Manual in my garage, it was an easier decision after much thought.

I would have never gotten even 90% out of the Touring, would have driven in less and wouldnt be able to use it as "just a car" like I do my GTS. (not rich)

Letting the 992 go will still leave you with the GTS, selling the GTS will still leave you with an Epic GT car ... no downside here brother. Good Luck

vanlieremead

I don’t think you are nuts either. Internet opinions but keep the GTS and trade in the GT3 for a Z06.

Rockerchief

A few thoughts here. My 911 stable has included; 991.1 GT3, 991.1 GTS, 997 Targa, 997 Cab, 997 C2S (F77), 996 C4S, ‘83 911SC, Macan GTS. I still have the 991 GTS, 997 C2S, 996 C4S and the Macan. Have spent considerable seat time in the 993, 930 and a decent amount in the 992.

The 991 GTS is IMHO a very special car and as one poster said above it very simply does everything very well. While the 992 is an amazing car (and my wife has recently stated she wants one) I have not fallen in love yet. While I do believe that statistically every new 911 is better than the one prior, I am finding myself “enjoying the drive” more in the older ones. Loved loved loved the 991.1 GT3 and desperately miss the PDK sound in that car but it was not a good street car. It wanted to be on a track.

jlee504

We got our GT3s at the same time, I do agree with the other posts that the comfort seats make a huge difference. I had a 991.2 touring with buckets and traded it after 6 months. Then I got my 992 gt3 with PDK and buckets. Traded that in for the touring now. I love the 6 speed and the seats

i still have the 991.2 GTS but to me it’s still not as special as the touring. It actually feels a bit old to me now when I go back and forth between the two.

Keep both. With all the digital dashboards coming you will miss the analog tachs..

Atheist

The main purpose for the GTS trim is to find that sweet spot between track level performance and daily drive ability. No matter what the temptation for a Turbo S or a GT3 was for me, being the type to opt for top of the line, I was just very honest with myself as to the purpose of the car and the way I actually use and drive it. Thus, just as Porsche planned with trim packages the GTS was a perfect balance in between the S and the GT cars. A little more aggressive looks and performance, with some extra comfort and amenities. If I could own a car for a weekend toy and track day I would absolutely want it be a GT3 but for daily use on public streets. GTS all day long. Still might be way more car than is actually necessary.

Catharpin

I don't even look at the bill. I just pay it, the smiles per mile are all I focus on.

Rustler

One way to think of it is to focus on how the car fits in your life, not what the inherent performance potential is, or where it lies in Porsche's hierarchy.

Both cars are arguably the best cars made for what they set out to do, but they set out to do slightly different things. For example, as much as I yearn to experience a GT3, I need my 911 to be able to do the school run AND the canyon run. The closest track is 6 hours away, so I want a car that is exploitable on the road. And when I make up an excuse to go to the grocery store or hardware store to "help out" I want to be able to hammer it on some back roads on the way there and back. For what I just described a Carrera variant like the GTS is probably the better car for purpose. And there are lots of other purposes (track duty/dedicated canyon carver/appreciation/value/exclusivity/garage trophy) that the GT3 would be better for purpose.

I don't think it's nuts to ponder keeping the GTS, I think it's actually more rational thinking than assuming the GT3 is better. I suspect there are frunk loads of dudes out there that have a GT3 and don't drive it or enjoy it as much as a they would a Carrera because (for any number of reasons) the wick is just turned up too high. Now that;s nuts (and a shame).

Watson

Nice problem to have!

I have not driven a GT3 yet (nor 991 neither 992) so I cannot provide any insights but I did think about the possibility of getting myself a GT3 Touring (MT) and if that would bring me a much different/better/exciting car experience compared to my 991.1 Targa 4 GTS 7MT. So I think you are not alone thinking about this.

I'd give the 992 Touring a chance, probably install sofas.

Could you please describe the differences you found in terms of vehicle dynamics between your GTS and your GT3, what did you like (and dislike) in each cars?
Especially the steering and the front end feels?

Thanks a lot!

GSIRM3

If keeping just one, I would keep the GTS.

Rockerchief

Could you please describe the differences you found in terms of vehicle dynamics between your GTS and your GT3, what did you like (and dislike) in each cars?
Especially the steering and the front end feels?

Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]

let me try to explain it like this: my GTS has 3 modes; normal, sport, sport +. It does all three of those thing very nicely. The “normal” mode in my GT3 was like sport + and the settings beyond that were just all out track focus. So a normal drive in a GT3 is like a sport plus in a GTS. Handling is tight, noise is there, ride is harsh etc etc.

I have a 997 Carrera S with the Champion Motorsport F77 package which mimics the GT3 of that era. And it is just like my thoughts above. Normal mode is very sport + and sport mode is GT3. Hoping that helps a bit?!

subshooter

You didn't ask me, but allow me to comment. I have a fair amount of experience with both on track. My 992 GT3 is winged though.

The differences become apparent when pushing the cars to their limits (way past most people's limits BTW). The differences become exponentially noticeable as the cars approach their design limits.

Some key differences between the GT3 and the GTS is this:
1. GT3 has a double wishbone front suspension. It's very noticeable and turn-in is incredible. I drove a 991.2 GT3 back to back with a 992 GT3 and the differences in front end handling was immediately noticeable. The 992 GT3 doesn't even compare to a GTS in turn-in.
2. GT3 has 4WS. It matters a lot approaching the car's limits.
3. The aero on the GT3 (even the touring) is far superior than the GTS. I can't notice any differences below 80 mph, but above that, the aero allows you to carry more speed through fast turns.
4. The chassis is stiffer by a long shot. It makes the car handle great and planted but makes for a rough ride.

I drive my 991.2 C4 and 981 daily and on track occasionally. The 991.2 has serious under steer. The GT3 just feels like a mid-engine car because of all the stuff I mentioned above.

As for a daily driver, the GT3 is not good in this area. It's hard, noisy, stiff, the seats suck for easy livability and the LWBs don't recline so it's hard to get stuff in the back. On winged version, you can't see out the rear window and the Light weight glass distorts lights at night coming through the rear window. If it's a manual, the cup holder is useless.

If you don't intend to track the 911, then stay with the GTS. It sounds great and is much more livable.

Watson

Thanks it helps! When driving on normal roads and Sport+ in my GTS, I always put back the suspension in the softer mode.

Watson

Thanks a lot for your feedback, it is very interesting, the 992 GT3 really piqued my interest over the 991.2 GT3 because of its turn in capabilities.
But as I won't be driving these cars no where near to their limits on open road, it is likely I won't see any noticeable difference as you mentioned. I would say that in my case, having a Targa which is AWD, I do not get the best turn in feeling so maybe I should start to look for a 991.1 Carrera GTS!

96redLT4

Here is a thread I posted in the GT forum comparing my non track comparison of the driving dynamics. I think the steering is really good on both cars. Turn in better on the GT3. RWS makes a big difference. Starting to appreciate more the GT3. Driving on our thrashed city street I have been surprised that the ride is not way more stiff than the GTS especially with the option to soften the suspension. With the 18 way seats and especially the 23 gallon fuel tank you could drive that car everyday.
https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...th-my-gts.html

Watson

Thanks, what a great thread! I believe your appreciation of your 992 GT3 will only increase with time, what a fabulous spec you ordered!