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Started a thread awhile back 'maybe the best garage I will ever have' ie '23 GT3T and '16 GTS. Fast forward a month or so. GT3T is not growing on me as much as I thought it would. Way less practical to just hop in and go for a back road drive. It is somewhat more of an event to jump over the bolster into the fixed bucket and I suppose does feel a little more special once you are in it, sitting low and 'fixed' to the floor. But the drive experience is really not that much better, if that makes sense. Clutch is way softer on the touring but a little weird and 'notchy' on the uptake. GTS just feels right, really well balanced with the SPASM and new PS4S tires. Frankly it sounds way better too although I have not had the GT3 to redline yet. The electronics in the 992 are just too much IMHO. I have a feeling I will have to put the cars on a track to really see the GT3 shine. Its hard to imagine keeping them both forever as I have limited garage space but I'm wondering if the GTS may be the better car long term for my needs. Careful what you wish for guys....
No, you are not nuts! Amazing garage, I am also not a huge fan of the digital dash on the 992 and if you are not going to track the GTS sounds like it is a better option for you. I think for many people it's hard to get rid of the latest and the greatest, even when it doesn't necessarily fit your use case.
I would trade you (your gt3) for my GTS in a heartbeat.
I love the look of the 992, the sound of a GT3…
The reason I got the GTS was for the rear seats.
I do agree with you that the best way to use a GT3 is to keep it in the upper levels of the rev range. When I drove 991.1 Gt3 it rattled and shook and seemed not as nice as my GTS. I tried numerous times to buy one but felt that it wasn’t practical. The 992 seems to pick up on the nicer interior and refinement. Can’t imagine I wouldn’t like it more than my car now.
Maybe time to consider a change in marques... I have been driving Porsches for over 50 years... but more recently added a Lambo Huracan Evo... another dimension...
Definitely not crazy. Time and money, how do you know until you try. Maybe it’ll grow on you in time and as you say after a few track days. Doesn’t mean the 991 isn’t incredible too, just different. Have fun exploring the new one while you still own it.
You are in a 991 forum so you are going to get the biased opinion. Keep the 992. I have two 911s and others. I love them all for different reasons. The GT3 is a track weapon. It's nothing like the GTS. I am not diminishing the GTS in anyway, it's an awesome car as well. The GT3 is extremely hard to get and holds its value. It's the quintessential Porsche.
Swap the LWB seats for Sofas if that is the deal breaker for you.
Last edited by subshooter; 04-30-2023 at 07:09 PM.
I am a 991.2 GTS owner and am contemplating the purchase of a 992 GT3 at some point in the future. Before purchasing my 2019 GTS, I took a 991.2 GT3 for a test ride with a PDK and found it was too much of a track focused machine. The car rhode very hard, cabin was noisy, and you had to keep the RPMs up for the engine to make power. I agree with you in regard to the buckets.. they are very difficult to climb in/out and not very comfortable after 30 minutes behind the wheel. I'm wondering if the 992 GT3 with non-bucket seats and a manual transmission would make a difference?
I'll have to drive a few GT3s but I thank you for your warning (i.e., "careful what you ask for"). Please keep us posted and let us know your final decision.
Thanks for the replies. I may have to look into that lift option like subshooter but seemed like it wouldn't work before with 9 foot ceilings. Just went for a 35 mile blast on the craziest, twistiest country road in the GT3 and started to 'feel' it a lot more. You have to be focused on seriously driving and nothing more to really enjoy that car....
What a great "dilemma" to have, deciding between two great 911s. It is interesting that, initially, you thought about selling the GTS upon the arrival of the GT3. Now, after having both in your stable, your thinking has changed. No doubt, the GT3 is a very different driving experience, compared to the GTS. Louder, stiffer, more frenetic - and there is no dialing it back, as you can with the push of a few buttons in your GTS.
You are in the enviable position of having both and being able to keep both, if you so choose. I would suggest that you give the Touring a little more time to "grow on you." In my case, I could not even drive a manual transmission when my Touring arrived. So, needless to say, my Touring and I took a little time to get comfortable with each other. But I'll never forget when I bonded with the car. It was not on the track, it was not going 150 mph on the 15 to Vegas, it was on a snow-covered road in southeastern Oregon, on my way to Crater Lake. My Touring totally bailed me out of a very dicey situation at 6,000+ feet, when I was on a snowy road I had no business being on right before COVID shut down the world in mid-2020.
That moment may still come for you, I suspect. It could be on a drive to the grocery store, a road trip, on the track, who knows? But I'd suggest you let your Touring "decant" a little more before you decide to sell it.
As for the 991.1 GTS, you know I am one of its biggest fans on Rennlist and I am glad to see that, paradoxically, having the GT3 Touring has made you appreciate the GTS even more. The same happened to me recently when I got extended time behind the GTS wheel on a road trip to Nor Cal. The 991.1 GTS (PDK or manual, does not matter) in many ways is the perfect 911. Naturally aspirated, plenty fast, comfortable when you want it, sporty when you want it, 4 seater, easy on the eyes, sounds FANTASTIC - yeah, pretty much perfect for those lucky enough to have one.
I am looking forward to seeing which way you go on this one. We should meet up and discuss in person sometime. I'd venture to guess we are in a rather select club, having both a 991.1 GTS and a GT3 Touring.
What a great "dilemma" to have, deciding between two great 911s. It is interesting that, initially, you thought about selling the GTS upon the arrival of the GT3. Now, after having both in your stable, your thinking has changed. No doubt, the GT3 is a very different driving experience, compared to the GTS. Louder, stiffer, more frenetic - and there is no dialing it back, as you can with the push of a few buttons in your GTS.
You are in the enviable position of having both and being able to keep both, if you so choose. I would suggest that you give the Touring a little more time to "grow on you." In my case, I could not even drive a manual transmission when my Touring arrived. So, needless to say, my Touring and I took a little time to get comfortable with each other. But I'll never forget when I bonded with the car. It was not on the track, it was not going 150 mph on the 15 to Vegas, it was on a snow-covered road in southeastern Oregon, on my way to Crater Lake. My Touring totally bailed me out of a very dicey situation at 6,000+ feet, when I was on a snowy road I had no business being on right before COVID shut down the world in mid-2020.
That moment may still come for you, I suspect. It could be on a drive to the grocery store, a road trip, on the track, who knows? But I'd suggest you let your Touring "decant" a little more before you decide to sell it.
As for the 991.1 GTS, you know I am one of its biggest fans on Rennlist and I am glad to see that, paradoxically, having the GT3 Touring has made you appreciate the GTS even more. The same happened to me recently when I got extended time behind the GTS wheel on a road trip to Nor Cal. The 991.1 GTS (PDK or manual, does not matter) in many ways is the perfect 911. Naturally aspirated, plenty fast, comfortable when you want it, sporty when you want it, 4 seater, easy on the eyes, sounds FANTASTIC - yeah, pretty much perfect for those lucky enough to have one.
I am looking forward to seeing which way you go on this one. We should meet up and discuss in person sometime. I'd venture to guess we are in a rather select club, having both a 991.1 GTS and a GT3 Touring.
Yep....you were the one who told me to make sure you keep the GTS at least for awhile to compare. I'm really glad I did. I'm hearing from a lot of people, oh no you're going to sell the red one....I could get rid of my M4 daily driver but both of the P cars just frankly seem too nice and special to drive daily the 1.5 miles to work on a cold engine and sit in a dusty parking lot in the sun all day. Maybe I can bribe the wife with a new purse to let me keep both. She did start in with me the other day 'I don't know why you got those seats that don't even move!'
04-30-2023, 04:21 PM
Am I nuts? Ditch the '23 GT3T and keep my 991GTS
