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So I have a (first world) problem - I have the chance to purchase something pretty special soon, so one of my GTSs will need to go. Either the 2015 991.1 Carrera 4 GTS or the 2011 997.2 Carrera 2 GTS in PTS Riviera Blue.
While I expect more 'preferences' to the 991 here (I'll also post in the 997 forum), here is a brief summary of each and the pros and cons
991.GTS: Only has 9,600 km (6,000 miles) from new, pretty much fully optioned (GTS Interior Package, 18 way seats, sunroof, reverse camera) and still drives and feels like new. As I got it from an OPC, still has warranty until November 2024 and can extend. Overall, I prefer the 991.1 as a drive car all round, as it is more comfy, has better tech and sounds better. Also has full service history from Porsche since new and has never had any issues. It is in Carrara White, so a good safe colour which I love, until I saw the PTS Riviera Blue..... Finally, I bought it in 2021, as an early 40th birthday present (I turned 40 last year) so will always be special. As a longer term hold, as rare as the 991.1 GTS is, I am sure that the 997.2 will be more sought after and better for the collection. My head says to keep this one.
997.2 GTS: Also very low mileage (18,700km or 11,700 miles), also very well optioned with full leather, 20mm PASM and of course, that PTS Riviera Blue. As I noted, the 997.2 to me I do not prefer to drive as much as the 991.1, but the colour and how it turns heads everywhere is something special. Also, 997.2 GTS is far far rarer as everyone knows, especially a PTS one. As a long term hold, I am pretty sure this is a better bet, but I get it is not something uber rare like a 3RS or Sport Classic. My heart says to keep this one.
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Last edited by ebitda_911; 02-18-2024 at 10:10 AM.
I haven't driven both, so I can't say. What I will say is that you can always buy another example with a little patience. Say you sell the 997 and regret it. OK, sell the 991.1 and buy back the 997 when one pops up. These cars are not investments, even as rare as they are, businesses will outperform them in the long run. 991.1 cash invested in the market will eventually buy a pristine 997 someday if you are 40 years old.
Gorgeous cars! On looks alone I'd keep the 997, as I'd prefer a blue or orange or purple or guard's red. White/Silver/Black 911's just aren't my cup of tea. But you could always sell the 997 and wait for a more interesting color 991.1 to pop up. That'd be my take.
Depends on what you intend to do with them over the next couple years. I feel like 991 GTSs have not become rare enough to feel "special" but yours is lovely. However, that 997.2 GTS is an insta-classic. If it's manual, you're sitting on a pretty valuable spec. My heart agrees with your heart in on this one.
For me? Whichever one is manual. If they’re both PDK then the 991 is the better driving, but the blue one is prettier. The PDK’s don’t bring as much $ on the market, I wouldn’t consider a PDK to be particularly collectible or desirable, but the 991 PDK sets the standard for DCT. Honestly, you should follow your heart though. For you though, why do you care what I like? Which car do you enjoy driving more? I see these people, collecting cars because some day they may be valuable, if no one drives it, and what ends up happening? Sits in a warehouse or barn, never enjoyed, until the owner’s kids end up selling it, either to pay for the care facility they put them in, or because they’re dead and the kids are cashing out. Don’t be that guy. Pick the car you love, and then drive it as often as you can. Because you can’t take it with you and you only get now.
Let's say you bought the car from this article. 2011 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS Coupe Test – Review – Car and Driver
In Texas, you paid $117,356 + 6.25% sales tax ($7335). Now let's say there was no doc fee or anything. Let's assume you didn't insure it because you didn't even drive it. That's $124,690. And you never changed any of the fluids. You, somehow for free, had the car drained of all fluids. And you didn't pay to store it anywhere. It magically was climate controlled stored for free the entire time too. Lots of assumptions in favor of a 997 GTS as an investment here.
That article came out on August 12th, 2011. If you'd instead put the $124,690 in the S&P 500 (IVV ticker), you'd now have $546,391. While the 997 GTS might be a rare or great car, I don't think we'll see one sell for $546k anytime soon. Maybe one special transaction, but I'm buying a Pista, F8 or Speciale long before I'm buying an undriven 997 GTS.
These cars aren't investments. Businesses are investments. Bonds are investments. Cars are for driving.
Believe it or not, but the pricing in today's market would be very similar for either car. The only thing that would influence my decision would be if the 997 had PDK. This was the first version of PDK on a production vehicle. As a result, it was the beta tester and ended up being much improved on later versions (like that in the 991). As for my opinion, I'd keep the 997 (if manual trans).
Let's say you bought the car from this article. 2011 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS Coupe Test – Review – Car and Driver
In Texas, you paid $117,356 + 6.25% sales tax ($7335). Now let's say there was no doc fee or anything. Let's assume you didn't insure it because you didn't even drive it. That's $124,690. And you never changed any of the fluids. You, somehow for free, had the car drained of all fluids. And you didn't pay to store it anywhere. It magically was climate controlled stored for free the entire time too. Lots of assumptions in favor of a 997 GTS as an investment here.
That article came out on August 12th, 2011. If you'd instead put the $124,690 in the S&P 500 (IVV ticker), you'd now have $546,391. While the 997 GTS might be a rare or great car, I don't think we'll see one sell for $546k anytime soon. Maybe one special transaction, but I'm buying a Pista, F8 or Speciale long before I'm buying an undriven 997 GTS.
These cars aren't investments. Businesses are investments. Bonds are investments. Cars are for driving.
I think "ebitda" probably already understands in intricacies of financial investing.
I will go against the grain and say keep the one you like driving better and the one which makes you smile more.
I never thought I would find a car that I liked driving as much as I liked my 997.2 but once I did the steering software update on my 991.1, I haven’t thought about buying another 997.
I have the chance to purchase something pretty special soon, so one of my GTSs will need to go.
You happen to have the same year and model of GTS that I own and with the same mileage. If you do your own wrenching as I do, what I hate about it is not seeing an engine when you lift the engine lid. And the need to take the bumper off to replace engine air filters. The 997 is more basic and hands-on friendly, why I like my 993.
I bought mine in 2018 and while on the Gold Coast at the library, I went to the Porsche Australia site, priced out a new 991.2 with my options except two that they didn't have. The drive away price was $409K. I took a pic of the screen...nuts! That is twice the price of what mine went for to the original owner.
02-18-2024, 10:03 AM
991.1 GTS vs 997.2 GTS - Which one to Keep?
The 997 is more basic and hands-on friendly, why I like my 993.